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This could be really useful. If this was done by other big content sites (Youtube for example) then a search bot could build up an index of banned resources. A
by dcw303 11y ago
This could be really useful. If this was done by other big content sites (Youtube for example) then a search bot could build up an index of banned resources. A repository of burned books.
- asymmetric 11y agoYouTube also bans content based on your location (e.g. In Germany), so the index would have to take that into account.
- dcw303 11y agoThat's a good point, I didn't think of that. I suppose there is a semantic difference between content that has been taken down globally for DMCA infringement, and content that is blocked in a particular region.
- franciscop 11y agoThere is some difference, but error codes are made broad to allow for different cases. "Resource is unavailable due to an external legal request" seems to cover both of these cases.
- captn3m0 11y agoThat actually makes for a nice usecase: correlate bans between geographic regions. You just need to access the same content from multiple locations to build a better index.
- mrweasel 11y agoI really wanted to use it when our German customer try to view product pages for games that are illegal in Germany, but the business people said no.
- legulere 11y agoYou probably meant an advertising ban to under 18 year olds (no, a form asking for your birthday isn't enough). Only very few games are actually banned, KZ manager (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KZ_Manager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KZ_Manager) for instance. For those only distribution is banned, possession is legal.
- duaneb 11y ago> but the business people said no Did they not want to be associated with blatant censorship? That sounds pejorative but I mean it literally.
- mrweasel 11y agoI think the issue was that you basically can't even allow the Germans know that the games exist. We can't even show the product page and just not all them to buy it. It is blatant censorship, but it's either that or the German government closing down you operations in Germany.
- tormeh 11y agoCan you really not tell them about it, or can you just not advertise it? A product page would probably count as advertisement, but an error code is obviously not.
- mrweasel 11y agoWe've been asked to remove everything, the games can't even show up in a search result. But you might be right that it's about advertising the product.
- danielsamuels 11y ago> We've been asked to remove everything, the games can't even show up in a search result. Makes me wonder if we should have a robots.txt per locale.
- chronial 11y agoIf I correctly guessed what you are talking about (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Department_for_Media_Harmful_to_Young_Persons#The_indexing_process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Department_for_Media_H...) then yes, it's about advertising. That law is about protecting minors from getting in contact with material that is deemed highly dangerous for them (e.g. the game "Manhunt" is on that list). Just telling them in the search results might be enough for them to seek out this game and eventually get it. Edit: The law actually clearly states that a shop must not have the game on display anywhere a minor could see it You are by the way the way totally allowed to sell these games. Without any advertising that is. In a classic shop that meant you keep it under the counter and if someone over 18 asks for it by name, you sell it. No idea how that would translate to an online shop. But long story short: It seems very hard to interpret returning 451 to a url the user already has to know in advance as advertising. I am pretty sure that if a minor asks for that game in a store you are also allowed to say "no, you are too young for this" and are not required to lie "what, no, never heard of that" ^^.
- rmc 11y agoWhich for Germany, would be nearly anything with music on it. Fucking GEMA.