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As much as I love Clojure and even more so ClojureScript, I would have to agree with you on this. To add to what you said, another big pain point for me is star

As much as I love Clojure and even more so ClojureScript, I would have to agree with you on this. To add to what you said, another big pain point for me is starting new projects. Although I wouldn't say don't spend any time learning the language, especially if you are new to functional languages, you can learn a lot from Clojure.

jfaucett 11y ago
"Although I wouldn't say don't spend any time learning the language" Yes, I can see your point. And there are some really good innovations clojure has made I think - specifically the immutable data types are really beyond compare, anyone wishing to learn more about immutable data structs should definately read their source in clojure its clear and understandable. Still, if anyone wants to learn what lisp is all about. I'd just recommend common lisp (clisp or sbcl) for getting the special forms, repl, and beauty of macros bits. It also means you don't have to know anything about java to get the key concepts of a lisp, which is less overhead overall. Regardless of common lisp or clojure, I'd always recommend anyone listen to Rich Hickey's talks on clojure, they are very good, especially his talks about values, composition, and simplicity. (http://www.infoq.com/author/Rich-Hickey http://www.infoq.com/author/Rich-Hickey)
desbo 11y ago
I recently started my first Clojure/ClojureScript project using the Reagent template for Leiningen[1]. It gives you Ring/Compojure/Hiccup on the backend for simple routing and views, and Reagent with a client-side routing framework on the frontend. It took me 10 minutes to get it running and figure out what the different components were doing. I'm sure ultimately I'll roll my own setup but this is a good way to get going if you're new. 1: https://github.com/reagent-project/reagent-template https://github.com/reagent-project/reagent-template

jfaucett 11y ago

"Although I wouldn't say don't spend any time learning the language" Yes, I can see your point. And there are some really good innovations clojure has made I think - specifically the immutable data types are really beyond compare, anyone wishing to learn more about immutable data structs should definately read their source in clojure its clear and understandable. Still, if anyone wants to learn what lisp is all about. I'd just recommend common lisp (clisp or sbcl) for getting the special forms, repl, and beauty of macros bits. It also means you don't have to know anything about java to get the key concepts of a lisp, which is less overhead overall. Regardless of common lisp or clojure, I'd always recommend anyone listen to Rich Hickey's talks on clojure, they are very good, especially his talks about values, composition, and simplicity. (http://www.infoq.com/author/Rich-Hickey http://www.infoq.com/author/Rich-Hickey)

desbo 11y ago

I recently started my first Clojure/ClojureScript project using the Reagent template for Leiningen[1]. It gives you Ring/Compojure/Hiccup on the backend for simple routing and views, and Reagent with a client-side routing framework on the frontend. It took me 10 minutes to get it running and figure out what the different components were doing. I'm sure ultimately I'll roll my own setup but this is a good way to get going if you're new. 1: https://github.com/reagent-project/reagent-template https://github.com/reagent-project/reagent-template