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More generally, I really wouldn't trust centrally planned "knowledge progress" or socialization or whatever tasks any more than I'd trust most other centrally p
by vertex-four 11y ago
More generally, I really wouldn't trust centrally planned "knowledge progress" or socialization or whatever tasks any more than I'd trust most other centrally planned control of a society's lives. Whether it's a good idea or not, there's nobody I'd trust with that power.
- JoeAltmaier 11y agoHey, the market economy is already 'planning control of lives'. We're talking about loosening those controls. By removing the threat of starvation and homelessness.
- vertex-four 11y ago> the market economy is already 'planning control of lives' Not (entirely) centrally (yet). If you piss off the wrong individual, or stand out to whatever degree, you still have a shot at a somewhat decent life. There's nobody outside of work you have to obey for threat of losing your livelihood. I was agreeing with you - basic income only works if everyone gets it, if there isn't a test for getting it, so that there's very little way it can be denied.
- JoeAltmaier 11y agoI don't see an issue with requiring folks to ask for it - by participating in society to some small degree, easily measured.
- vertex-four 11y agoThe issue is that someone has to decide what "participating in society" actually means. Today, it's often seeking work or working for pay - but we already agree that there's ways of participating in and contributing to society that don't involve that. I'm sure that whatever you or anyone else can come up with that's "easily measured", there's people who contribute to society in other ways, and people who can't participate in the way that you want.