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Look back at human history. Now ask yourself how you can be so naive still. We (society in general) will let these people starve and act like it's their own fa

by mhurron 11y ago

Look back at human history. Now ask yourself how you can be so naive still. We (society in general) will let these people starve and act like it's their own fault. > They can focus on developing skills for higher paying jobs Ever wondered why they don't do that now. I mean, everyone could right after high school right? They had tons of free time then. It costs money, an increasing amount of money actually. Where do you propose they get it? We (society) blame people for not improving themselves when they work hard to make a corporation money now, how can you think that would improve when they don't.

mywittyname 11y ago
Actually, the argument is that people working 60 hours a week at two jobs really has no free time to learn anything. If you free people from work, some portion of them will take up a hobby to fill time and some of those hobbies can be turned into a job. Some of them may look to school and education to improve their prospects, but those aren't the only path to a good job. Lots of people are creative and have good business sense and I think freeing people up from doing meaningless tasks is a great way to capitalize on this fact. To me, people + time + capital => innovation. All I'm proposing is to give these people a lot of time and a bit of money.
- throwaway2016a 11y ago
  Also, automation tends to make commodity goods less expensive. Which helps the poor and middle class. Assuming of course that the market does it's job and costs do go lower rather than getting added to the company bottom line.
  - st3v3r 11y ago
    Lower costs of goods only helps the poor if they have the money to actually purchase those goods. If they're just being kicked out of jobs, and not given any assistance, then lower cost of goods does nothing for them.
- gooseus 11y ago
  What about Maslow's hierarchy of needs? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs Freeing people from work also "frees" them from the income stream that allows them to feel secure. If you don't feel secure in some being able to provide basic needs (food, shelter, water, etc) for yourself and your dependents then it's a lot harder to focus on higher level concepts which are required to learn new, more marketable skills.
  - mywittyname 11y ago
    > Freeing people from work also "frees" them from the income stream that allows them to feel secure. That's why I suggested taxing the companies and using it to supply these people with a basic income.

by mhurron 11y ago

mywittyname 11y ago

Actually, the argument is that people working 60 hours a week at two jobs really has no free time to learn anything. If you free people from work, some portion of them will take up a hobby to fill time and some of those hobbies can be turned into a job. Some of them may look to school and education to improve their prospects, but those aren't the only path to a good job. Lots of people are creative and have good business sense and I think freeing people up from doing meaningless tasks is a great way to capitalize on this fact. To me, people + time + capital => innovation. All I'm proposing is to give these people a lot of time and a bit of money.

throwaway2016a 11y ago
Also, automation tends to make commodity goods less expensive. Which helps the poor and middle class. Assuming of course that the market does it's job and costs do go lower rather than getting added to the company bottom line.
- st3v3r 11y ago
  Lower costs of goods only helps the poor if they have the money to actually purchase those goods. If they're just being kicked out of jobs, and not given any assistance, then lower cost of goods does nothing for them.
gooseus 11y ago
What about Maslow's hierarchy of needs? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs Freeing people from work also "frees" them from the income stream that allows them to feel secure. If you don't feel secure in some being able to provide basic needs (food, shelter, water, etc) for yourself and your dependents then it's a lot harder to focus on higher level concepts which are required to learn new, more marketable skills.
- mywittyname 11y ago
  > Freeing people from work also "frees" them from the income stream that allows them to feel secure. That's why I suggested taxing the companies and using it to supply these people with a basic income.