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I love how many of the comments here are along the lines of: "yes Lee Sedol only consumes 20-40W during a game, but you have to sum all the energy consumed to

I love how many of the comments here are along the lines of: "yes Lee Sedol only consumes 20-40W during a game, but you have to sum all the energy consumed to create him, and the power he consumes when he's not playing etc" but then they fail to apply the same logic to computers Sum all the energy required to create computers over the past however many 50+ years then let's see if it's the case that computers made by evolved computers are any more efficient than their evolved creators

aab0 11y ago
The money spent on CPU/GPU manufacturing improvement is a sunk cost and more than paid for itself along the way in economics benefits; the cost of the cluster that beat him is already around what he was paid for this one set of matches. In contrast, making a Lee Sedol will never be cheaper, and he lacks all of the other myriad advantages of software, like being instantly clonable and continuously improvable. You will never be able to mash up Shusaku and Sedol to see what they do, train them against each other for subjective millennia, examine the internals of their position evaluation, increase or decrease the sizes of their brains, compress them into much smaller neural nets, combine with other algorithms like MCTS, etc. Energy consumption is among the least important aspects of AI at the moment. We are not in a situation where we know how to make a feasible human-level AI but because electricity costs 10 cents/kwh no one can run, but they could if electricity cost 5 cents/kwh...
- sguwwochqbib 11y ago
  sorry, you must have misread my comment I was talking about energy not money, but whatever
- sguwwochqbib 11y ago
  Also, did I say that disagreed with AI ? No. I didn't. I'm all in favour of AI and I expect one day that it will be comparable in terms of energy consumption, generality and other measures we could invent. But for now, amazing though it is, this is not such a huge achievement as it's been made-out to be.

aab0 11y ago

The money spent on CPU/GPU manufacturing improvement is a sunk cost and more than paid for itself along the way in economics benefits; the cost of the cluster that beat him is already around what he was paid for this one set of matches. In contrast, making a Lee Sedol will never be cheaper, and he lacks all of the other myriad advantages of software, like being instantly clonable and continuously improvable. You will never be able to mash up Shusaku and Sedol to see what they do, train them against each other for subjective millennia, examine the internals of their position evaluation, increase or decrease the sizes of their brains, compress them into much smaller neural nets, combine with other algorithms like MCTS, etc. Energy consumption is among the least important aspects of AI at the moment. We are not in a situation where we know how to make a feasible human-level AI but because electricity costs 10 cents/kwh no one can run, but they could if electricity cost 5 cents/kwh...

sguwwochqbib 11y ago
sorry, you must have misread my comment I was talking about energy not money, but whatever
sguwwochqbib 11y ago
Also, did I say that disagreed with AI ? No. I didn't. I'm all in favour of AI and I expect one day that it will be comparable in terms of energy consumption, generality and other measures we could invent. But for now, amazing though it is, this is not such a huge achievement as it's been made-out to be.