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Because it's a fucking board game. There are tons and tons of more practical and impressive computer science achievements that get absolutely no news coverage.

burkaman 11y ago
Like what?
- colllectorof 11y ago
  Oh, gee, I don't know. The first recent thing that comes to my mind and involves ML is a package for fingerprinting software via changes in computer's power consumption. Not just that, but using it to detect malware on medical devices (which often run decades-old OSes and aren't upgradeable). Is that groundbreaking enough for you?
  - mynameisvlad 11y ago
    That's "just" figuring out what's running on a computer.
  - burkaman 11y ago
    I assume you're talking about this company? http://www.pfpcyber.com/ http://www.pfpcyber.com/ That's super cool, but no I wouldn't say it's more impressive or groundbreaking than AlphaGo. They're both obviously incredibly impressive though. I guess I don't get the point you're trying to make. Why does something have to be practical to be impressive? And why don't you think the technology used in AlphaGo is practical?
  - astrange 11y ago
    Sounds like these medical devices are upgradeable if you can install malware on them.
    - CocaKoala 11y ago
      So there's a lot of regulation and compliance stuff that you run into if you start dealing with computers in a medical context. On the face of it, this makes sense; you don't want to install software that hasn't been rigorously tested and approved, because the cost of having a computer fail can be human lives. If you have something that works, it's hard to get the inertia to change it because by the time you've finished testing a new piece of software to make sure it's as stable as you need, it's already out of date. So in one sense, those machines are unupgradable; you can't upgrade them without violating a number of laws and regulations. In another sense, they're trivially upgradable; if you don't care about violating laws and regulations, you've got a playground with a number of highly documented vulnerabilities and publicized exploits. The sorts of people who would install malware on those computers are the sorts of people who aren't really fussed about "laws and regulations"; that's not a position that people running a hospital are really able to take, though.
chillacy 11y ago
> more practical and impressive computer science achievements If we came out with a polynomial time solution for the graph coloring problem, you could use that same logic to say "it's just labeling colors, what's the big deal?"
- colllectorof 11y ago
  Graph coloring problem is generic and is guaranteed to be useful in a myriad obvious applications. Plus, "polynomial time" is a specific criteria, whereas "somewhat better than a human champion" is an arbitrary milestone. Besides, people who make advances in abstract problems like that do not release PR statements and get 1/1000th of the hype and coverage AlphaGo received recently.
  - hluska 11y ago
    I'm not trying to troll you here, but have you ever actually played Go?? Go is so complex that the word 'complex' doesn't even begin to cover it. It's a game that requires equal parts creativity and logic. The sheer number of options absolutely dwarf anything else out there. This achievement will be useful in a myriad of obvious applications. And, it is one of the greatest engineering feats that I have been alive to witness.
    - colllectorof 11y ago
      I have played Go and I understand that it is a complex and nuanced game. However, I also understand that it's a game very heavily based on patterns and pattern-matching. Have you read the research paper and seen how much of AlphaGo's architecture was designed around the specifics of Go gameplay? (Including a set of handcrafted Go-specific training features.)
  - abecedarius 11y ago
    NxN Go is PSPACE-complete.[1] That's an even bigger deal than NP-complete. [1] According to some comment in /r/MachineLearning the other day. I haven't looked into it myself.
tekni5 11y ago
And written language is just a string of squiggly lines... Are you seriously failing to understand the implications.

burkaman 11y ago

Like what?

colllectorof 11y ago
Oh, gee, I don't know. The first recent thing that comes to my mind and involves ML is a package for fingerprinting software via changes in computer's power consumption. Not just that, but using it to detect malware on medical devices (which often run decades-old OSes and aren't upgradeable). Is that groundbreaking enough for you?
- mynameisvlad 11y ago
  That's "just" figuring out what's running on a computer.
- burkaman 11y ago
  I assume you're talking about this company? http://www.pfpcyber.com/ http://www.pfpcyber.com/ That's super cool, but no I wouldn't say it's more impressive or groundbreaking than AlphaGo. They're both obviously incredibly impressive though. I guess I don't get the point you're trying to make. Why does something have to be practical to be impressive? And why don't you think the technology used in AlphaGo is practical?
- astrange 11y ago
  Sounds like these medical devices are upgradeable if you can install malware on them.
  - CocaKoala 11y ago
    So there's a lot of regulation and compliance stuff that you run into if you start dealing with computers in a medical context. On the face of it, this makes sense; you don't want to install software that hasn't been rigorously tested and approved, because the cost of having a computer fail can be human lives. If you have something that works, it's hard to get the inertia to change it because by the time you've finished testing a new piece of software to make sure it's as stable as you need, it's already out of date. So in one sense, those machines are unupgradable; you can't upgrade them without violating a number of laws and regulations. In another sense, they're trivially upgradable; if you don't care about violating laws and regulations, you've got a playground with a number of highly documented vulnerabilities and publicized exploits. The sorts of people who would install malware on those computers are the sorts of people who aren't really fussed about "laws and regulations"; that's not a position that people running a hospital are really able to take, though.

chillacy 11y ago

> more practical and impressive computer science achievements If we came out with a polynomial time solution for the graph coloring problem, you could use that same logic to say "it's just labeling colors, what's the big deal?"

colllectorof 11y ago
Graph coloring problem is generic and is guaranteed to be useful in a myriad obvious applications. Plus, "polynomial time" is a specific criteria, whereas "somewhat better than a human champion" is an arbitrary milestone. Besides, people who make advances in abstract problems like that do not release PR statements and get 1/1000th of the hype and coverage AlphaGo received recently.
- hluska 11y ago
  I'm not trying to troll you here, but have you ever actually played Go?? Go is so complex that the word 'complex' doesn't even begin to cover it. It's a game that requires equal parts creativity and logic. The sheer number of options absolutely dwarf anything else out there. This achievement will be useful in a myriad of obvious applications. And, it is one of the greatest engineering feats that I have been alive to witness.
  - colllectorof 11y ago
    I have played Go and I understand that it is a complex and nuanced game. However, I also understand that it's a game very heavily based on patterns and pattern-matching. Have you read the research paper and seen how much of AlphaGo's architecture was designed around the specifics of Go gameplay? (Including a set of handcrafted Go-specific training features.)
- abecedarius 11y ago
  NxN Go is PSPACE-complete.[1] That's an even bigger deal than NP-complete. [1] According to some comment in /r/MachineLearning the other day. I haven't looked into it myself.

tekni5 11y ago

And written language is just a string of squiggly lines... Are you seriously failing to understand the implications.