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Traffic's a luxury tax (along with RAM) that cloud providers assume that big companies can afford to pay if they're getting that much traffic. Outside of the C

by mythz 11y ago

Traffic's a luxury tax (along with RAM) that cloud providers assume that big companies can afford to pay if they're getting that much traffic. Outside of the Cloud Providers Traffic is dirt Cheap, Hetzner includes 30TB traffic inclusive in their dedicated server i7 Quad-Core Skylake 64GB DDR4 RAM, 2x250 GB SATA 6 Gb/s SSD for 39 euro /month: https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex41sssd https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex41ss... If you don't want to be shaped after you exceed 30TB, Hetzner charges €1.17 per additional TB, so 700TB would come to €783.90 total. Whereas ScaleWay include unlimited traffic in their bare metal servers starting from 12 euro /month: https://blog.scaleway.com/2016/03/08/c2-insanely-affordable-x64-servers/ https://blog.scaleway.com/2016/03/08/c2-insanely-affordable-...

nitrogen 11y ago
How many people share that Hetzner server for 39euro/month?
- Mo3 11y ago
  None.
  - annnnd 11y ago
    Actually, one. :)
- sarnowski 11y ago
  It's a dedicated bare metal machine for you. The tradeoff with Hetzner is, that it's not expensive Server hardware, so you will encounter hardware problems more often compared to a Dell or HP server.
  - mythz 11y ago
    Hetzner also has options for Xeons and Dell PowerEdge servers for a bit more a month, but I've also had great experience with their best value hosting servers, ran a site on it for a couple of years without running into any h/w issues before moving to AWS due to its easy managed RDS, S3, SES services. But if I'd just needed a single dedicated server with great specs I'd use Hetzner in a heartbeat.
  - nitrogen 11y ago
    Ok, cool. The price just seemed low.
    - vidarh 11y ago
      Hetzner is towards the vey low end of pricing (downside: latency if your users aren't in Europe), but dedicated servers from most providers end up far cheaper than AWS or GCE.
  - CodingGuy 11y ago
    You just have to build high-availability into your software. I'm using six Hetzner servers for over 1.5 years now and the only problem I had was one disk failure - support needed 10 minutes to swap it. I can highly recommend them! I pay them ~200 euros per month for what would cost me 2.000+ dollars on aws...
    - iofj 11y ago
      I'm curious about this statement : is that as opposed to cloud apps ? Wouldn't you need to build high-availability into your apps whether they're running in the cloud or on dedicated ? If you mean that you can have a load balancer in front of it managed by Amazon, that's true for dedicated as well (Akamai, CDNetworks, Limelight, even Leaseweb). Managed databases are available from most providers (usually without an API, but you can find them with an API as well).
  - sdesol 11y ago
    I picked up one of their new ex41-ssd machines and I'm actually kind of nervous about it. I've bought a few auction machines and they all came with Samsung SSDs, but these new EX line machines are using Crucible, hence the low price. I have zero confidence in Crucible and I'm not sure if I will buy anymore EX machines, unless somebody tells me Crucible has a different reputation now.
  - tallanvor 11y ago
    Failures will happen no matter what. About the only difference I think you'll see is that most of their servers don't use ECC memory, so you're technically more likely to hit a problem there. I've had one server with them for about 3 years, and another for 2 years, and haven't run into a hardware issue yet. Obviously a hardware issue could happen at any time, so anything I can't live with being offline until I can restore from a backup is configured with redundancies, including a Digital Ocean VPS just in case the datacenter my servers are in goes offline. From my monitoring, however, I tend to see a short network blip about every other month, but it's less than a minute at a time. All other outages I've had were my own fault.
- dvfjsdhgfv 11y ago
  It's fascinating for me to see again and again people somehow accustomed to cloud pricing hear about bare metal hosting offerings and not to believe the prices could be that low. BTW this applies not only to traffic, but also processing power and storage.
  - sdesol 11y ago
    If you are looking for a bargain with little commitment, you might want to take a look at Hetzner's auction. https://robot.your-server.de/order/market/sortcol/ram/sorttype/up/country/US https://robot.your-server.de/order/market/sortcol/ram/sortty... The gotcha is the allowable bandwidth for their auction machines are lower than their normally priced servers. https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver I got lucky and found a 32GB machine with 4 Samsung SSDs in their auction and it has served me well for testing. I write about it my blog below: http://gitsense.github.io/blog/benchmarking-march-14-2016.html http://gitsense.github.io/blog/benchmarking-march-14-2016.ht... I think I'm paying about 68 euros a month for it. The Canadian dollar has taken a beating, so it's not as good of a deal as it use to be, but it's still a good deal none the less.
- return0 11y ago
  Its a full root server. In fact you can get an older root i7 for 20-25 euro
FranOntanaya 11y ago
It sounds kind of inefficient though since different business types have extremely different bandwidth needs. So it's going to tax business by sector rather than by their ability to sustain it.

by mythz 11y ago

nitrogen 11y ago

How many people share that Hetzner server for 39euro/month?

Mo3 11y ago
None.
- annnnd 11y ago
  Actually, one. :)
sarnowski 11y ago
It's a dedicated bare metal machine for you. The tradeoff with Hetzner is, that it's not expensive Server hardware, so you will encounter hardware problems more often compared to a Dell or HP server.
- mythz 11y ago
  Hetzner also has options for Xeons and Dell PowerEdge servers for a bit more a month, but I've also had great experience with their best value hosting servers, ran a site on it for a couple of years without running into any h/w issues before moving to AWS due to its easy managed RDS, S3, SES services. But if I'd just needed a single dedicated server with great specs I'd use Hetzner in a heartbeat.
- nitrogen 11y ago
  Ok, cool. The price just seemed low.
  - vidarh 11y ago
    Hetzner is towards the vey low end of pricing (downside: latency if your users aren't in Europe), but dedicated servers from most providers end up far cheaper than AWS or GCE.
- CodingGuy 11y ago
  You just have to build high-availability into your software. I'm using six Hetzner servers for over 1.5 years now and the only problem I had was one disk failure - support needed 10 minutes to swap it. I can highly recommend them! I pay them ~200 euros per month for what would cost me 2.000+ dollars on aws...
  - iofj 11y ago
    I'm curious about this statement : is that as opposed to cloud apps ? Wouldn't you need to build high-availability into your apps whether they're running in the cloud or on dedicated ? If you mean that you can have a load balancer in front of it managed by Amazon, that's true for dedicated as well (Akamai, CDNetworks, Limelight, even Leaseweb). Managed databases are available from most providers (usually without an API, but you can find them with an API as well).
- sdesol 11y ago
  I picked up one of their new ex41-ssd machines and I'm actually kind of nervous about it. I've bought a few auction machines and they all came with Samsung SSDs, but these new EX line machines are using Crucible, hence the low price. I have zero confidence in Crucible and I'm not sure if I will buy anymore EX machines, unless somebody tells me Crucible has a different reputation now.
- tallanvor 11y ago
  Failures will happen no matter what. About the only difference I think you'll see is that most of their servers don't use ECC memory, so you're technically more likely to hit a problem there. I've had one server with them for about 3 years, and another for 2 years, and haven't run into a hardware issue yet. Obviously a hardware issue could happen at any time, so anything I can't live with being offline until I can restore from a backup is configured with redundancies, including a Digital Ocean VPS just in case the datacenter my servers are in goes offline. From my monitoring, however, I tend to see a short network blip about every other month, but it's less than a minute at a time. All other outages I've had were my own fault.
dvfjsdhgfv 11y ago
It's fascinating for me to see again and again people somehow accustomed to cloud pricing hear about bare metal hosting offerings and not to believe the prices could be that low. BTW this applies not only to traffic, but also processing power and storage.
- sdesol 11y ago
  If you are looking for a bargain with little commitment, you might want to take a look at Hetzner's auction. https://robot.your-server.de/order/market/sortcol/ram/sorttype/up/country/US https://robot.your-server.de/order/market/sortcol/ram/sortty... The gotcha is the allowable bandwidth for their auction machines are lower than their normally priced servers. https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver I got lucky and found a 32GB machine with 4 Samsung SSDs in their auction and it has served me well for testing. I write about it my blog below: http://gitsense.github.io/blog/benchmarking-march-14-2016.html http://gitsense.github.io/blog/benchmarking-march-14-2016.ht... I think I'm paying about 68 euros a month for it. The Canadian dollar has taken a beating, so it's not as good of a deal as it use to be, but it's still a good deal none the less.
return0 11y ago
Its a full root server. In fact you can get an older root i7 for 20-25 euro

FranOntanaya 11y ago

It sounds kind of inefficient though since different business types have extremely different bandwidth needs. So it's going to tax business by sector rather than by their ability to sustain it.