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Find a sober alcoholic. Find a man if you can, but don't be picky about it. It works better - men work with men, women work with women. Ask the sober alcohol
by philiphodgen 11y ago
Find a sober alcoholic. Find a man if you can, but don't be picky about it. It works better - men work with men, women work with women. Ask the sober alcoholic what to do; he will know.
http://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/en_bigbook_chapt7.pdf http://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/en_bigbook_chapt7.pdf
- lightlyused 11y agoPerson might not be religious.
- jey 11y agoThere are non-religious alternatives, such as LifeRing.
- jonah 11y agoThat's true, on the other hand I know several people who have greatly benefited and who weren't religious. (It seems that unless someone is strongly anti-spiritual, it could be good.) (YMMV of course.)
- abuehrle 11y agoReligion is not a requirement for benefiting from AA. Participants must acknowledge a higher power, which can mean whatever a person wants that to mean.
- cmdrfred 11y agoI have observed no higher power than man. Where does that leave me?
- Nihilartikel 11y agoPerhaps the inverse of acknowledging that, ultimately, man is entirely powerless would work just as well.
- cmdrfred 11y agoI look at the large hadron collider, the apollo program, the curiosity rover, the pyramids of giza, the hoover dam, and the international space station and scoff at the idea that we are powerless. Yes there are problems that we can't solve currently, but humanity is a young race. We'll get there.
- mchahn 11y agoThe TV show Bullshit, written and hosted by Penn & Teller, did a show on AA. AA accidentally posted their recidivity rates on the internet and the numbers were shown. They showed that there was zero advantage of going to AA. That doesn't say alcoholics don't feel better when going.
- cnp 11y agoHow do you measure "advantage"? or "recidivism"? If an alcoholic goes to AA and "feels better", don't you think that might have some relationship between various other factors? The metric of either drinking or not drinking == "success" varies quite dramatically between people depending upon their aim.
- mchahn 11y agoI would have to go back and watch the episode, which I may do. My memory of it was just the simple relapse rate, which would have to be based on a period of time. I don't know where they got the numbers to compare to AA, but I assume many studies have statistical results on this. Edit: It is season 2 episode 10 and I am going to watch it asap.