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s/islamic/arabic or persian. Sometimes it feels like some western journalists are clueless about the fact that this part of the world had an artistic history be

s/islamic/arabic or persian. Sometimes it feels like some western journalists are clueless about the fact that this part of the world had an artistic history before the creation of Islam.

jbm 11y ago
The article specifically said it was inspired by a piece that was produced 1000 years ago, which would put it during the Islamic period.
typon 11y ago
It seems like you're clueless about Islamic art. The focus on geometry and patterns in art in the Arab and Persian world is a direct result of Islamic theology affecting society.
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- dogma1138 11y ago
  Not really the origins "Islamic" geometrical art were actually Asian and Indian arts espcially Buddhist arts that were brought back when Islam expanded into Asia, much of it wans't even created by Muslims.
  - typon 11y ago
    Can I request a source? I suggest you read this book: http://www.amazon.com/Geometric-Concepts-in-Islamic-Art/dp/0905906659 http://www.amazon.com/Geometric-Concepts-in-Islamic-Art/dp/0...
    - dogma1138 11y ago
      Sri Yantra and Mandala predate Islam. And I suggest you read too, the changes in "styles" of "Islamic Art" can be directly correlated to the Islamic expansion especially in SE Asia and Maritime Asia. Islamic art is not only religious art it's for the most part all art that was created in the Islamic world; not art that was created by Muslims. https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/art-islam/beginners-guide-islamic/a/arts-of-the-islamic-world https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/art-islam/beginners-g... Quite a bit of it was attributed to Muslims but it was done incorrectly, Islam banned any use of human figures in art so local art styles which were already highly abstract and geometrical had to be evolve into purely abstract art. So medieval Muslims were big patrons of Arts in their time but Islamic Art on it's own is not "Islamic" in a religious or (monolithic) cultural sense.
      - typon 11y ago
        I have no idea what you're arguing anymore. Your essentially agreeing with me. Islamic art is highly abstract and geometric DIRECTLY as a result of Islamic theology and Islamic rule over lands in the middle east and the rest of the world. I never said all art originated due to the introduction of Islam. Islamic art is evolved from Roman, Greek and Sasanian art before it, and highly modified by Islamic artists' tendency for math and geometry. It seems you have some agenda you're trying to push here. What im saying is pretty indisputable.
  - wumpus 11y ago
    This is a classic disagreeing comment which is a false disagreement. The parent to your comment did not claim anything about the origins of or influences upon Islamic art. At best you're talking past the post you're responding; at worst you're insulting a religion which currently has 1.6 billion followers. Please don't do either on HN. Thanks.
    - spriggan3 11y ago
      > at worst you're insulting a religion which currently has 1.6 billion followers Nobody is insulting anybody. This "criticism/discussion of something mildly related to some religion == insulting billion of followers" needs to stop. You certainly don't speak in the name of 1.6 billion people either.
    - dogma1138 11y ago
      Islamic art is by it's own definition is quite strictly non-religious, while some in the west insist on calling it "Islamic" (in the same absurd way why Indian numerals are known as Arabic numerals in the UK) it was anything but "Islamic" in the religious sense of the way. Islamic art is the art that prevailed Islam's ban on art naturalistic and depictive arts, allot of Hindu, Buddhist and even Pagan motifs that built on their abstract nature to survive as non descriptive/naturalistic art which was heavily focused on geometry and symmetry which has already existed in the regions that Islam has spread into, like Mandala https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Mandala https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Mandala.
jdietrich 11y ago
Geometric forms are integral to Islamic art, because of the prohibition on depicting sentient beings. Geometric patterns are not unique to Islamic culture, but geometry is uniquely important in Islamic art. Islamic art has been profoundly influential across Europe, the Middle East and Asia; Indeed, the English word for elaborate geometric decoration is "arabesque". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniconism_in_Islam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniconism_in_Islam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_geometric_patterns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_geometric_patterns
- spriggan3 11y ago
  > Indeed, the English word for elaborate geometric decoration is "arabesque" Which is itself a french word, not an arabic one. And arab =/= muslim ,that's my point. Islam didn't invent Geometric art. It existed in middle east and south asia well before the creation of islam.

s/islamic/arabic or persian. Sometimes it feels like some western journalists are clueless about the fact that this part of the world had an artistic history before the creation of Islam.

jbm 11y ago

The article specifically said it was inspired by a piece that was produced 1000 years ago, which would put it during the Islamic period.

typon 11y ago

It seems like you're clueless about Islamic art. The focus on geometry and patterns in art in the Arab and Persian world is a direct result of Islamic theology affecting society.

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dogma1138 11y ago
Not really the origins "Islamic" geometrical art were actually Asian and Indian arts espcially Buddhist arts that were brought back when Islam expanded into Asia, much of it wans't even created by Muslims.
- typon 11y ago
  Can I request a source? I suggest you read this book: http://www.amazon.com/Geometric-Concepts-in-Islamic-Art/dp/0905906659 http://www.amazon.com/Geometric-Concepts-in-Islamic-Art/dp/0...
  - dogma1138 11y ago
    Sri Yantra and Mandala predate Islam. And I suggest you read too, the changes in "styles" of "Islamic Art" can be directly correlated to the Islamic expansion especially in SE Asia and Maritime Asia. Islamic art is not only religious art it's for the most part all art that was created in the Islamic world; not art that was created by Muslims. https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/art-islam/beginners-guide-islamic/a/arts-of-the-islamic-world https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/art-islam/beginners-g... Quite a bit of it was attributed to Muslims but it was done incorrectly, Islam banned any use of human figures in art so local art styles which were already highly abstract and geometrical had to be evolve into purely abstract art. So medieval Muslims were big patrons of Arts in their time but Islamic Art on it's own is not "Islamic" in a religious or (monolithic) cultural sense.
    - typon 11y ago
      I have no idea what you're arguing anymore. Your essentially agreeing with me. Islamic art is highly abstract and geometric DIRECTLY as a result of Islamic theology and Islamic rule over lands in the middle east and the rest of the world. I never said all art originated due to the introduction of Islam. Islamic art is evolved from Roman, Greek and Sasanian art before it, and highly modified by Islamic artists' tendency for math and geometry. It seems you have some agenda you're trying to push here. What im saying is pretty indisputable.
- wumpus 11y ago
  This is a classic disagreeing comment which is a false disagreement. The parent to your comment did not claim anything about the origins of or influences upon Islamic art. At best you're talking past the post you're responding; at worst you're insulting a religion which currently has 1.6 billion followers. Please don't do either on HN. Thanks.
  - spriggan3 11y ago
    > at worst you're insulting a religion which currently has 1.6 billion followers Nobody is insulting anybody. This "criticism/discussion of something mildly related to some religion == insulting billion of followers" needs to stop. You certainly don't speak in the name of 1.6 billion people either.
  - dogma1138 11y ago
    Islamic art is by it's own definition is quite strictly non-religious, while some in the west insist on calling it "Islamic" (in the same absurd way why Indian numerals are known as Arabic numerals in the UK) it was anything but "Islamic" in the religious sense of the way. Islamic art is the art that prevailed Islam's ban on art naturalistic and depictive arts, allot of Hindu, Buddhist and even Pagan motifs that built on their abstract nature to survive as non descriptive/naturalistic art which was heavily focused on geometry and symmetry which has already existed in the regions that Islam has spread into, like Mandala https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Mandala https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Mandala.

jdietrich 11y ago

Geometric forms are integral to Islamic art, because of the prohibition on depicting sentient beings. Geometric patterns are not unique to Islamic culture, but geometry is uniquely important in Islamic art. Islamic art has been profoundly influential across Europe, the Middle East and Asia; Indeed, the English word for elaborate geometric decoration is "arabesque". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniconism_in_Islam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniconism_in_Islam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_geometric_patterns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_geometric_patterns

spriggan3 11y ago
> Indeed, the English word for elaborate geometric decoration is "arabesque" Which is itself a french word, not an arabic one. And arab =/= muslim ,that's my point. Islam didn't invent Geometric art. It existed in middle east and south asia well before the creation of islam.