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You should be able to fire someone for any reason. It's immoral to fire people accused of crime, you should treat your employees with respect, but there shoul

You should be able to fire someone for any reason. It's immoral to fire people accused of crime, you should treat your employees with respect, but there should be no law involved.

zackattack 17y ago
I totally agree, but I think that anti discrimination acts in housing, employment set the tone for the rest of society. If a gay wheelie can't be hired by a Fortune 500 company, what message does that send to everyone/the rest of the world?
- jacquesm 17y ago
  What's a gay wheelie ?
  - maw 17y ago
    It's when you downshift your bike, pedal hard and fast, and say "woooo!" in a high voice. (I just made that up.)
  - fbailey 17y ago
    somebody who is really happy with his wheelchair
  - daniel-cussen 17y ago
    A wheelchair-bound homosexual.
    - jacquesm 17y ago
      Ah ok, that makes sense now. I've never seen wheel chair users labeled 'wheelie' before, I thought that was a motor cycle stunt. Thanks! edit: I wonder what earned you the down-mod, you simply answered my question in a way that seems to make sense in the original context.
roc 17y ago
Were the labor market closer to a true market of equals, that might work. But it isn't and it doesn't.
ErrantX 17y ago
Agreed that's how it should work. Sadly reality never works that way; hence laws :)
xenophanes 17y ago
They should have to right to fire him, but first they should ask him: - Did you do it? - Do you have any evidence that you are innocent? - What is the evidence against you? They should think about whether they believe he did it. In some cases that will mean firing people who are only accused and that won't be immoral. In this case, if they just talked to him for a bit and gave him a few days to investigate and gather evidence, they could have avoided firing him.
xiaoma 17y ago
>You should be able to fire someone for any reason. I disagree. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for being Jewish. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for not voting how you want them to. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for not having sex with you. There are a lot of things that you shouldn't be able to fire someone for.
- tptacek 17y ago
  You can't fire people based on race, creed, age, or gender, and you can't fire them for not having sex with you. There are laws against those things, those things specifically, and almost exclusively those things.
  - rdtsc 17y ago
    Except that you will still be _laid off_ for any of those reasons but it would be masqueraded as some other convenient 'official' reason. "The cash is tight", "we are not growing", etc.
- dantheman 17y ago
  If you don't like Jewish people and it's your company you shouldn't have to work with them. It will only hurt you as you are limiting your labor pool to non-Jewish people, and this is the same for any other form of discrimination. The only place that should not be allowed to discriminate is the government since they represent all people. Freedom of association is the key hear, you should be able t o associate with anyone you'd like to and vice-versa. Now I'm of course not advocating any sort of discrimination, but I do think it should be allowed. Just as I don't advocate hate speech, but I think it should be allowed.
  - xiaoma 17y ago
    Firing Jewish people doesn't just hurt the bigoted employer, it hurts the people wrongfully fired, too! There is something appealing to letting everyone keep to whatever groups they wish, but historically the idea has led to horrible things for the shunned groups.
barrkel 17y ago
Morality doesn't come into it. Morality is just a different set of laws. If they are just laws, they should become laws of the land; if they are unjust - and a lot of "morality" is intrinsically illiberal - then they should not be. That's why we have rule of law in the first place, rather than rule by church and theologians.

You should be able to fire someone for any reason. It's immoral to fire people accused of crime, you should treat your employees with respect, but there should be no law involved.

zackattack 17y ago

I totally agree, but I think that anti discrimination acts in housing, employment set the tone for the rest of society. If a gay wheelie can't be hired by a Fortune 500 company, what message does that send to everyone/the rest of the world?

jacquesm 17y ago
What's a gay wheelie ?
- maw 17y ago
  It's when you downshift your bike, pedal hard and fast, and say "woooo!" in a high voice. (I just made that up.)
- fbailey 17y ago
  somebody who is really happy with his wheelchair
- daniel-cussen 17y ago
  A wheelchair-bound homosexual.
  - jacquesm 17y ago
    Ah ok, that makes sense now. I've never seen wheel chair users labeled 'wheelie' before, I thought that was a motor cycle stunt. Thanks! edit: I wonder what earned you the down-mod, you simply answered my question in a way that seems to make sense in the original context.

roc 17y ago

Were the labor market closer to a true market of equals, that might work. But it isn't and it doesn't.

ErrantX 17y ago

Agreed that's how it should work. Sadly reality never works that way; hence laws :)

xenophanes 17y ago

They should have to right to fire him, but first they should ask him: - Did you do it? - Do you have any evidence that you are innocent? - What is the evidence against you? They should think about whether they believe he did it. In some cases that will mean firing people who are only accused and that won't be immoral. In this case, if they just talked to him for a bit and gave him a few days to investigate and gather evidence, they could have avoided firing him.

xiaoma 17y ago

>You should be able to fire someone for any reason. I disagree. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for being Jewish. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for not voting how you want them to. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for not having sex with you. There are a lot of things that you shouldn't be able to fire someone for.

tptacek 17y ago
You can't fire people based on race, creed, age, or gender, and you can't fire them for not having sex with you. There are laws against those things, those things specifically, and almost exclusively those things.
- rdtsc 17y ago
  Except that you will still be _laid off_ for any of those reasons but it would be masqueraded as some other convenient 'official' reason. "The cash is tight", "we are not growing", etc.
dantheman 17y ago
If you don't like Jewish people and it's your company you shouldn't have to work with them. It will only hurt you as you are limiting your labor pool to non-Jewish people, and this is the same for any other form of discrimination. The only place that should not be allowed to discriminate is the government since they represent all people. Freedom of association is the key hear, you should be able t o associate with anyone you'd like to and vice-versa. Now I'm of course not advocating any sort of discrimination, but I do think it should be allowed. Just as I don't advocate hate speech, but I think it should be allowed.
- xiaoma 17y ago
  Firing Jewish people doesn't just hurt the bigoted employer, it hurts the people wrongfully fired, too! There is something appealing to letting everyone keep to whatever groups they wish, but historically the idea has led to horrible things for the shunned groups.

barrkel 17y ago

Morality doesn't come into it. Morality is just a different set of laws. If they are just laws, they should become laws of the land; if they are unjust - and a lot of "morality" is intrinsically illiberal - then they should not be. That's why we have rule of law in the first place, rather than rule by church and theologians.