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My argument was merely that it is not unreasonable to be in favour of positive discrimination if you believe that this evens out some handicap. And if you don't

My argument was merely that it is not unreasonable to be in favour of positive discrimination if you believe that this evens out some handicap. And if you don't think that merely being woman it is a handicap, I would ask you to ponder what caused women to suddenly begin winning auditions for symphony orchestras when blind auditions were instituted? (http://www.theguardian.com/women-in-leadership/2013/oct/14/blind-auditions-orchestras-gender-bias http://www.theguardian.com/women-in-leadership/2013/oct/14/b...) That said, I don't think I stated that it was my personal opinion that positive discrimination was the best way to solve this problem. I don't think I would rule it out in all cases, but I much prefer a solution like the blind auditions. But obviously this is not a universal solution.

jbmorgado 11y ago
Not when that discrimination is not to create equal opportunities but to forcible attribute achievements to a specific sub-group claiming that they earned those achievements in direct competition will the all group. For instance, using your example, you could and should create the conditions for old people to feel less difficulty in accessing certain areas, but it would be ridiculous to put old people running against the 100m last olympic champion and then in the end by some argument claim some old person did the same time as the former champion and declare them both champions. This is the point.
- adamlett 11y ago
  to forcible attribute achievements to a specific sub-group claiming that they earned those achievements in direct competition will the all group As the example with the symphony orchestras showed, it is entirely possible that the achievements of women get discounted simply because they are women. I'm not saying that it is necessarily always the case, but since it demonstrably is in some cases, you should at least concede that it is an entirely reasonable position to have that women should be discriminated positively against to balance this bias, even if you don't share the position.

jbmorgado 11y ago

Not when that discrimination is not to create equal opportunities but to forcible attribute achievements to a specific sub-group claiming that they earned those achievements in direct competition will the all group. For instance, using your example, you could and should create the conditions for old people to feel less difficulty in accessing certain areas, but it would be ridiculous to put old people running against the 100m last olympic champion and then in the end by some argument claim some old person did the same time as the former champion and declare them both champions. This is the point.

adamlett 11y ago
to forcible attribute achievements to a specific sub-group claiming that they earned those achievements in direct competition will the all group As the example with the symphony orchestras showed, it is entirely possible that the achievements of women get discounted simply because they are women. I'm not saying that it is necessarily always the case, but since it demonstrably is in some cases, you should at least concede that it is an entirely reasonable position to have that women should be discriminated positively against to balance this bias, even if you don't share the position.