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>I can't write a sensible comment to this. Just as I can't write a sensible comment responding to someone-- just one guy remember -- making a "top list" of mov

>I can't write a sensible comment to this. Just as I can't write a sensible comment responding to someone-- just one guy remember -- making a "top list" of movies, then having to update it based on a silly criticism. He picked his top movies. Do you think he deliberately left films by female directors off his list? Then who cares. >The current list Thankfully we have the PC crowd around to tell Mr. Lee what movies are his actual top films.

mootothemax 11y ago
>Just as I can't write a sensible comment I'm glad that we can find common ground to agree on.
aninhumer 11y ago
>then having to update it based on a silly criticism. He didn't have to update it. He chose to update it. >Thankfully we have the PC crowd around to tell Mr. Lee what movies are his actual top films. Or you know, we just infer that his most recent statement of his opinion is most likely to be representative?
- JoeAltmaier 11y ago
  That's how the PC thing operates. "You don't have to revise your opinion. We'll keep piling on the guilt and doubletalk meantime. I'm sure you'll make the right decision, because you're not a bad person right?"
  - aninhumer 11y ago
    And equally, the opposition says "He changed his stated opinion[0] after a social justice flavoured criticism? There's absolutely no way he could agree with them, so he must be lying out of fear!" I prefer to assume people are telling the truth about their opinions until shown evidence to the contrary. [0] EDIT: Which, incidentally, was never asserted to be complete, and indeed solicited suggestions for improvement.
    - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
      Its clear that both are true, to some degree. He clearly overlooked good movies directed by women, guilty. He clearly responded to criticism and overrode his original judgement to satisfy them. Its never black and white (unless talking about race; then its always black and white!)
      - aninhumer 11y ago
        >He clearly responded to criticism and overrode his original judgement to satisfy them. Why is it clear that he "overrode" his original judgement by adding films, rather than simply being reminded of some he hadn't considered?
        JoeAltmaier 11y ago
        Its not clear he hadn't considered them.
        forgetsusername 11y ago
        >Why is it clear that he "overrode" his original judgement by adding films, rather than simply being reminded of some he hadn't considered? The films that he was "reminded of" all happened to be directed by women, after a bit of a public hand-slap about that exact subject? Possible, but not probable. Again, what the hell does the director gender even have to do with this? What sort of person reads Spike Lee's List of Movies that Every Aspiring Director Should See and says, "Boy, I hope everyone is equally represented here!". The fact that it was even a "thing" is ridiculous, and yes, Political Correctness gone overboard.
        aninhumer 11y ago
        >The films that he was "reminded of" all happened to be directed by women Well yes that's my point? I'm saying that on seeing that comment he thinks "Films by women? Oh that reminds me of X, Y and Z! They should be on the list too!"
- forgetsusername 11y ago
  >Or you know, we just infer that his most recent statement of his opinion is most likely to be representative? You must get conned by a lot of politicians.
mikeash 11y ago
Maybe he accidentally left such films off his list, realized his mistake when it was pointed out, and corrected it. Why assume the worst?
- forgetsusername 11y ago
  >Why assume the worst? Who is assuming the worst? I'm not the one who's claiming that the guy deliberately left women off the list. I'm assuming he sat down, thought of a bunch of movies and made a list. It probably never crossed his mind that there were no women. And, honestly, I have no idea why it even matters. Had it not been pointed out to me, I'd have never even thought about the gender (am I allowed to say that word?) of the directors. It seems irrelevant to the subject matter.
  - mikeash 11y ago
    Who is claiming that he deliberately left women off the list?
    - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
      Isn't it worse if it wasn't deliberate? Then, either he unconsciously marginalizes women. Or his first list was right, and now its patronizing to pad the list with lesser movies because equality.
      - mikeash 11y ago
        Everybody is biased. The average person is blissfully unaware. Better people are aware and attempt to compensate. The worst of us are aware and embrace it. We all do things like this. It says nothing about us, other than that we're human. Our character is shown by how we deal with it, not by whether we do it at all.
        JoeAltmaier 11y ago
        That. Exactly. This is a regular guy, doing his best to behave better. All the rest of the discussion is just hot air. Then why do I call that 'worse'? Because its actually harder to change when you don't realize you need to change.

mootothemax 11y ago

>Just as I can't write a sensible comment I'm glad that we can find common ground to agree on.

aninhumer 11y ago

>then having to update it based on a silly criticism. He didn't have to update it. He chose to update it. >Thankfully we have the PC crowd around to tell Mr. Lee what movies are his actual top films. Or you know, we just infer that his most recent statement of his opinion is most likely to be representative?

JoeAltmaier 11y ago
That's how the PC thing operates. "You don't have to revise your opinion. We'll keep piling on the guilt and doubletalk meantime. I'm sure you'll make the right decision, because you're not a bad person right?"
- aninhumer 11y ago
  And equally, the opposition says "He changed his stated opinion[0] after a social justice flavoured criticism? There's absolutely no way he could agree with them, so he must be lying out of fear!" I prefer to assume people are telling the truth about their opinions until shown evidence to the contrary. [0] EDIT: Which, incidentally, was never asserted to be complete, and indeed solicited suggestions for improvement.
  - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
    Its clear that both are true, to some degree. He clearly overlooked good movies directed by women, guilty. He clearly responded to criticism and overrode his original judgement to satisfy them. Its never black and white (unless talking about race; then its always black and white!)
    - aninhumer 11y ago
      >He clearly responded to criticism and overrode his original judgement to satisfy them. Why is it clear that he "overrode" his original judgement by adding films, rather than simply being reminded of some he hadn't considered?
      - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
        Its not clear he hadn't considered them.
      - forgetsusername 11y ago
        >Why is it clear that he "overrode" his original judgement by adding films, rather than simply being reminded of some he hadn't considered? The films that he was "reminded of" all happened to be directed by women, after a bit of a public hand-slap about that exact subject? Possible, but not probable. Again, what the hell does the director gender even have to do with this? What sort of person reads Spike Lee's List of Movies that Every Aspiring Director Should See and says, "Boy, I hope everyone is equally represented here!". The fact that it was even a "thing" is ridiculous, and yes, Political Correctness gone overboard.
        aninhumer 11y ago
        >The films that he was "reminded of" all happened to be directed by women Well yes that's my point? I'm saying that on seeing that comment he thinks "Films by women? Oh that reminds me of X, Y and Z! They should be on the list too!"
forgetsusername 11y ago
>Or you know, we just infer that his most recent statement of his opinion is most likely to be representative? You must get conned by a lot of politicians.

mikeash 11y ago

Maybe he accidentally left such films off his list, realized his mistake when it was pointed out, and corrected it. Why assume the worst?

forgetsusername 11y ago
>Why assume the worst? Who is assuming the worst? I'm not the one who's claiming that the guy deliberately left women off the list. I'm assuming he sat down, thought of a bunch of movies and made a list. It probably never crossed his mind that there were no women. And, honestly, I have no idea why it even matters. Had it not been pointed out to me, I'd have never even thought about the gender (am I allowed to say that word?) of the directors. It seems irrelevant to the subject matter.
- mikeash 11y ago
  Who is claiming that he deliberately left women off the list?
  - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
    Isn't it worse if it wasn't deliberate? Then, either he unconsciously marginalizes women. Or his first list was right, and now its patronizing to pad the list with lesser movies because equality.
    - mikeash 11y ago
      Everybody is biased. The average person is blissfully unaware. Better people are aware and attempt to compensate. The worst of us are aware and embrace it. We all do things like this. It says nothing about us, other than that we're human. Our character is shown by how we deal with it, not by whether we do it at all.
      - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
        That. Exactly. This is a regular guy, doing his best to behave better. All the rest of the discussion is just hot air. Then why do I call that 'worse'? Because its actually harder to change when you don't realize you need to change.