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Unpopular Opinion but I feel the need to speak up for the millions of adults that either by choice or biology do not, and will not have children A Step forward

Unpopular Opinion but I feel the need to speak up for the millions of adults that either by choice or biology do not, and will not have children A Step forward in Parental Leave, a Step backwards for equality... Equality is treating everyone the same.. Giving one group 26 weeks paid leave for their life choice (having kids) while not giving the same 26 weeks paid leave to their childless employees is unequal treatment... I have never understood why I, a person that has chosen not to have children, should have to work harder, longer, for the same money has people that choose to have children A business hires you do to a job, if your life choices interfere with your ability to do your job you should not be rewarded with time off.

adrianN 11y ago
Because our society values children and wants to encourage you to have some. For the same reason some of your taxes go to schools and, at least here in Germany, pay for child benefits.
- the_ancient 11y ago
  Business exist to make money for their owners, the fact that "society" values children is not relevant and should not be. >For the same reason some of your taxes go to schools and, at least here in Germany, pay for child benefits. I believe taxation is theft, and parents should pay for their children to go to school. Business and others may volunteer their money to non-profits, and other endeavors that also have to goal of educating children but that support should be fully voluntary not done by government force/violence.
  - pbreit 11y ago
    If you believe taxation is theft you're on the wrong planet.
    - the_ancient 11y ago
      Theft is the involuntary taking of a persons property, money, or labor. Taxation is the involuntary taking of a persons property, money or labor by government simply adding "by government" does not magically transform it into something other than theft... Allow me to quote one of my favorite political philosophers "The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: Your money, or your life. And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat. The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the road side, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful." --Lysander Spooner
      - bryanlarsen 11y ago
        Without society, you'd be a subsistence farmer. Are you a subsistence farmer? If not, then some of your income is due to society.
        the_ancient 11y ago
        WOW... What a false dilemma fallacy.. Further to believe that Statism, Violence Statism via involuntary taxation at that, is the only way to have a organized and functional society is just ignorant I am sure you believe Libertarianism is Dangerous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbNFJK1ZpVg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbNFJK1ZpVg
        bryanlarsen 11y ago
        Just responding with one reductio ad absurdum with another reductio ad absurdum, since you only seem to understand black and white.
    - baddox 11y ago
      Do you have any other planet recommendations? There are some good arguments for taxation, but this isn't one of them. You could just as easily say "if you believe murder is wrong you're on the wrong planet."
- collyw 11y ago
  The world is already overpopulated. My personal belief is that we shouldn't be encouraging people to have children.
  - adrianN 11y ago
    That is my personal belief as well. But politicians disagree and you also don't see people voted out of office for providing free daycare.
    - the_ancient 11y ago
      in the US you would, you would likely not get elected at all if you ran on a "Free Daycare" policy unless you could somehow pay for that free care with out using any tax money
      - hias 11y ago
        Why? I don't get it. Facilities like these (and health care, care for the old/jobless) benefit our society, why shouldn't you pay for them with tax money? What else should tax money be used for then? Why is the US thinking that way?
        the_ancient 11y ago
        Why do you believe the government should provide Childcare, Healthcare, Eldercare, etc Where do you draw the line? Why should the government no care for me in my 20's or 30's or 40's Should I get free food, free shelter, free TV's, Free iPhones? I do not believe the government should provide anything to anyone. Nor do I believe I should be taxed simply because I am alive. >Why is the US thinking that way? A Culture of Rugged Individualism, combines with rightful distrust of the government Statism has killed more people than any other form of government ever devised by humans. While causing untold suffering.
        hias 11y ago
        Well it is like that in Germany, and it worked the last few decades. Homeless people get free food and free shelter. If the government should not provide anything, why should there be a government? You get taxed because the government provides something for you and the provided services need to get paid. I doubt you want to live in total anarchy without police, firemen or a working sewerage for example.
christianlefty 11y ago
society values children because they're the nurses, fireman, policemen etc... who will take care of you when're you're too old to do so.
- the_ancient 11y ago
  That is fine for society, but what does that have to do with the business.
  - charlysisto 11y ago
    Business is a part of society, not the other way round.
    - the_ancient 11y ago
      People are part of society A Business is an amoral human construct to be a vehicle for profit making for its owners.
rytis 11y ago
I have children. They go to school. We can only go to vacation during school holidays. Prices go up during this time sometimes 2-3 times. How's this working out for "equality"?
- the_ancient 11y ago
  What? I dont even understand what point you are attempting to get it...
pbreit 11y ago
This is unpopular opinion because it's rather stupid. Businesses hire humans, not robots.
- the_ancient 11y ago
  >This is unpopular opinion because it's rather stupid That is very insightful, you have convinced me to completely change my entire world view... >Businesses hire humans, not robots. 1. Some of those humans have children, some do not, as I believe I stated in my post 2. For now they hire humans...
  - pbreit 11y ago
    Even in the US we've come to the obvious conclusion there is more to life than profits.
amag 11y ago
Maybe if you look at it as the Business recognizes that the child may one day be an employee of the Business or a consumer of its products. That makes the parent very productive (not only does it produce value for the Business today, but also in the future) and the time off to care for the child is a good investment because children need nurture to grow up into balanced individuals that make for good employees.
- the_ancient 11y ago
  It is unlikely any child born today will have a job at all, Human labor will be completely replaced by Robots by then. As to the bullshit notation that if you do not take 26 weeks off to "nurture" your child they will grow up to be unbalanced individuals, I would like you to cite some research that shows that? I have a feeling most of the people reading this right now grew up with both parents workings full time during their infancy, I know I did. Are we all unbalanced because our parents did not take 26 weeks off after we were born?
  - lox 11y ago
    Point in case?
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adrianN 11y ago

Because our society values children and wants to encourage you to have some. For the same reason some of your taxes go to schools and, at least here in Germany, pay for child benefits.

the_ancient 11y ago
Business exist to make money for their owners, the fact that "society" values children is not relevant and should not be. >For the same reason some of your taxes go to schools and, at least here in Germany, pay for child benefits. I believe taxation is theft, and parents should pay for their children to go to school. Business and others may volunteer their money to non-profits, and other endeavors that also have to goal of educating children but that support should be fully voluntary not done by government force/violence.
- pbreit 11y ago
  If you believe taxation is theft you're on the wrong planet.
  - the_ancient 11y ago
    Theft is the involuntary taking of a persons property, money, or labor. Taxation is the involuntary taking of a persons property, money or labor by government simply adding "by government" does not magically transform it into something other than theft... Allow me to quote one of my favorite political philosophers "The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: Your money, or your life. And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat. The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the road side, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful." --Lysander Spooner
    - bryanlarsen 11y ago
      Without society, you'd be a subsistence farmer. Are you a subsistence farmer? If not, then some of your income is due to society.
      - the_ancient 11y ago
        WOW... What a false dilemma fallacy.. Further to believe that Statism, Violence Statism via involuntary taxation at that, is the only way to have a organized and functional society is just ignorant I am sure you believe Libertarianism is Dangerous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbNFJK1ZpVg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbNFJK1ZpVg
        bryanlarsen 11y ago
        Just responding with one reductio ad absurdum with another reductio ad absurdum, since you only seem to understand black and white.
  - baddox 11y ago
    Do you have any other planet recommendations? There are some good arguments for taxation, but this isn't one of them. You could just as easily say "if you believe murder is wrong you're on the wrong planet."
collyw 11y ago
The world is already overpopulated. My personal belief is that we shouldn't be encouraging people to have children.
- adrianN 11y ago
  That is my personal belief as well. But politicians disagree and you also don't see people voted out of office for providing free daycare.
  - the_ancient 11y ago
    in the US you would, you would likely not get elected at all if you ran on a "Free Daycare" policy unless you could somehow pay for that free care with out using any tax money
    - hias 11y ago
      Why? I don't get it. Facilities like these (and health care, care for the old/jobless) benefit our society, why shouldn't you pay for them with tax money? What else should tax money be used for then? Why is the US thinking that way?
      - the_ancient 11y ago
        Why do you believe the government should provide Childcare, Healthcare, Eldercare, etc Where do you draw the line? Why should the government no care for me in my 20's or 30's or 40's Should I get free food, free shelter, free TV's, Free iPhones? I do not believe the government should provide anything to anyone. Nor do I believe I should be taxed simply because I am alive. >Why is the US thinking that way? A Culture of Rugged Individualism, combines with rightful distrust of the government Statism has killed more people than any other form of government ever devised by humans. While causing untold suffering.
        hias 11y ago
        Well it is like that in Germany, and it worked the last few decades. Homeless people get free food and free shelter. If the government should not provide anything, why should there be a government? You get taxed because the government provides something for you and the provided services need to get paid. I doubt you want to live in total anarchy without police, firemen or a working sewerage for example.

christianlefty 11y ago

society values children because they're the nurses, fireman, policemen etc... who will take care of you when're you're too old to do so.

the_ancient 11y ago
That is fine for society, but what does that have to do with the business.
- charlysisto 11y ago
  Business is a part of society, not the other way round.
  - the_ancient 11y ago
    People are part of society A Business is an amoral human construct to be a vehicle for profit making for its owners.

rytis 11y ago

I have children. They go to school. We can only go to vacation during school holidays. Prices go up during this time sometimes 2-3 times. How's this working out for "equality"?

the_ancient 11y ago
What? I dont even understand what point you are attempting to get it...

pbreit 11y ago

This is unpopular opinion because it's rather stupid. Businesses hire humans, not robots.

the_ancient 11y ago
>This is unpopular opinion because it's rather stupid That is very insightful, you have convinced me to completely change my entire world view... >Businesses hire humans, not robots. 1. Some of those humans have children, some do not, as I believe I stated in my post 2. For now they hire humans...
- pbreit 11y ago
  Even in the US we've come to the obvious conclusion there is more to life than profits.

amag 11y ago

Maybe if you look at it as the Business recognizes that the child may one day be an employee of the Business or a consumer of its products. That makes the parent very productive (not only does it produce value for the Business today, but also in the future) and the time off to care for the child is a good investment because children need nurture to grow up into balanced individuals that make for good employees.

the_ancient 11y ago
It is unlikely any child born today will have a job at all, Human labor will be completely replaced by Robots by then. As to the bullshit notation that if you do not take 26 weeks off to "nurture" your child they will grow up to be unbalanced individuals, I would like you to cite some research that shows that? I have a feeling most of the people reading this right now grew up with both parents workings full time during their infancy, I know I did. Are we all unbalanced because our parents did not take 26 weeks off after we were born?
- lox 11y ago
  Point in case?

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