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The whole thing is a charade. Since the Snowden revelations we know that: - the NSA has access to any information it wants, with (coerced or not) collaboratio

The whole thing is a charade. Since the Snowden revelations we know that: - the NSA has access to any information it wants, with (coerced or not) collaboration from US companies - the affected companies can not talk about it. In fact, they are forced to deny any kind of interference, backdoor or collanoration. The outcome of this trial does not matter. If Apple loses, it will give the impression that it fights for users rights, if it wins it will give the false impression that we have secure comunications. Caveat emptor: doing business with any US corporation is putting your data at risk.

akerro 11y ago
>Caveat emptor: doing business with any US corporation is putting your data at risk. UK is even worse. What about Russia, China, France?
- gonvaled 11y ago
  None of those countries continuosly bombard me about how free and good they are.
drewpc 11y ago
The whole thing is not a charade, but you're missing the point of it all. The FBI is trying to set legal precedent. If the FBI were trying to simply get data off the phone, they would've given it to the NSA. "doing business with any US corporation is putting your data at risk." Governments create laws that all organizations in that country must follow. You'd be better off saying that doing business with any corporation in any country is putting your data at risk.
- gonvaled 11y ago
  The US has secret laws, secret trials, secret institutions, ... Basically, your country has long been run by secret powers, and you keep believing the show. The "FBI is trying to set legal precedent" is part of the show: if they get it, they'll use it; if not, they'll access any information they want by other means. What matters is: is your data secure, like 100% secure, on Apple devices? The answer, no matter the outcome of this charade, is "no, not even close"
  - drewpc 11y ago
    Societies are fallible because they are representative of man. We agree on the statement that data is not 100% secure on Apple devices. Only a fool believes that any data is truly secure.
    - gonvaled 11y ago
      Criptographicaly secure would be good enough for me. If the only means of craking the data us brute force, and it takes 1000 years with current technology to do so, then I'm happy. Iphones security can be circunvented by 6 engineers in 3 weeks (or was it the other way around?) This is mot brute force, mind you. The work done for one iphone allowd you ro crack (instantaneously!) the rest of iphones. Has this been developed? I dont care: the fact that ut can be done disqualifies the iphone as a secure device.

akerro 11y ago

>Caveat emptor: doing business with any US corporation is putting your data at risk. UK is even worse. What about Russia, China, France?

gonvaled 11y ago
None of those countries continuosly bombard me about how free and good they are.

drewpc 11y ago

The whole thing is not a charade, but you're missing the point of it all. The FBI is trying to set legal precedent. If the FBI were trying to simply get data off the phone, they would've given it to the NSA. "doing business with any US corporation is putting your data at risk." Governments create laws that all organizations in that country must follow. You'd be better off saying that doing business with any corporation in any country is putting your data at risk.

gonvaled 11y ago
The US has secret laws, secret trials, secret institutions, ... Basically, your country has long been run by secret powers, and you keep believing the show. The "FBI is trying to set legal precedent" is part of the show: if they get it, they'll use it; if not, they'll access any information they want by other means. What matters is: is your data secure, like 100% secure, on Apple devices? The answer, no matter the outcome of this charade, is "no, not even close"
- drewpc 11y ago
  Societies are fallible because they are representative of man. We agree on the statement that data is not 100% secure on Apple devices. Only a fool believes that any data is truly secure.
  - gonvaled 11y ago
    Criptographicaly secure would be good enough for me. If the only means of craking the data us brute force, and it takes 1000 years with current technology to do so, then I'm happy. Iphones security can be circunvented by 6 engineers in 3 weeks (or was it the other way around?) This is mot brute force, mind you. The work done for one iphone allowd you ro crack (instantaneously!) the rest of iphones. Has this been developed? I dont care: the fact that ut can be done disqualifies the iphone as a secure device.