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There's another thread about this on the front page right now [1] I suggest that we as technologists get together and inform the public about this issue. I do

There's another thread about this on the front page right now [1] I suggest that we as technologists get together and inform the public about this issue. I don't know if the EFF is contacting congressmen or not, but we should be informing them and making ourselves available for their questions should they have any about computer technology. I propose that we, 1. seek out public figures and media who can share our message 2. come up with more concise messaging that is understandable by a non-techie 3. back it up with facts and primary sources John Oliver is not enough. All the tech companies is not enough. This is as big as or bigger than SOPA. When we fought SOPA, we didn't have the possibility that people could blame us in the future for terrorist attacks if that bill did not pass. If and when we fight an anti-encryption bill, we will be fighting that alarmist view. We will make it much easier on ourselves if we seek to educate the public about the issues and let them make up their own minds. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11293949 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11293949

bhaumik 11y ago
Bernie Sanders would have the most leverage. His stance on privacy: http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-privacy-and-digital-rights/ http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-privacy-and-digital.... If contacting the campaign team directly doesn't work, you can make a thread on /r/sandersforpresident or join the Coders for Sanders slack group to influence that group. The devs behind berniesanders.com are active on there too.
- studentrob 11y ago
  It's a great idea in theory. Can you reach him or someone on his team? I've tried to reach Bernie but have no contacts. Supposedly we're 6 degrees apart but I don't know the path. I tried contacting Ben Cohen of Ben & Jerry's, who is one of his supporters and an activist himself, but didn't hear back. People are reluctant to address the issue on his subreddit. I've tried posting extensive information on the subject twice already [1] [2] His supporters are not even informed enough themselves. It's up to us and the EFF to get the message out there. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/474b28/sanders_would_look_great_if_he_sided_with_apple/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/474b28... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/49otvu/the_mass_surveillance_debate_kicked_off_by/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/49otvu... EDIT: I'm trying via the coders for sanders slack group now
  - bhaumik 11y ago
    I don't have any personal connections but you can try reaching out to someone on the campaign team [1] over Twitter. It's still a shot in the dark but you're more likely to get their attention there than over email. [1] http://www.p2016.org/sanders/sandersorg.html http://www.p2016.org/sanders/sandersorg.html
    - studentrob 11y ago
      I've tweeted at a few groups and people recently [1]. Nobody replies or communicates on that service. They just retweet and parrot their own viewpoints. I'll give it a shot though, thanks. I'm not really a twitter kind of person so I admit I could be doing it wrong. [1] https://twitter.com/studentrob/with_replies https://twitter.com/studentrob/with_replies
  - dcposch 11y ago
    Kenneth Pennington, the 25-year-old Digital Director for Bernie 2016, might be able to help if you have a way to get in touch with him
    - studentrob 11y ago
      Thanks for the suggestion dcposch, I sent him a message
- ams6110 11y ago
  His stance on property isn't so great though.
  - xacaxulu 11y ago
    The iPhone data will be redistributed fairly.
hanniabu 11y ago
A website with a nice infographic and a few FAQ's explained in relatable layman's terms(with references) would be great. Give it a straight forward domain like backdoorsaredangerous.org or whyencryptionisimportant.org or maybe both with respective information on each. I'd be happy to do this, but I honestly don't understand all these issues well enough myself in order to do a good job scaring people as much as possible while keeping it truthful.
- studentrob 11y ago
  That'd be awesome! I know the issues pretty well. I've followed news and online discussion fairly constantly since a month ago. Shoot me an email at stillastudent, using Google's email service I'm a developer but not a designer, and anyway it'd be great to work with more people on this One thing I haven't figured out yet is what existing lobbying is happening out there on this issue. For example, is the EFF contacting members of Congress to inform them about encryption? I'm about to write them to ask.
  - hanniabu 11y ago
    Sent

bhaumik 11y ago

Bernie Sanders would have the most leverage. His stance on privacy: http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-privacy-and-digital-rights/ http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-privacy-and-digital.... If contacting the campaign team directly doesn't work, you can make a thread on /r/sandersforpresident or join the Coders for Sanders slack group to influence that group. The devs behind berniesanders.com are active on there too.

studentrob 11y ago
It's a great idea in theory. Can you reach him or someone on his team? I've tried to reach Bernie but have no contacts. Supposedly we're 6 degrees apart but I don't know the path. I tried contacting Ben Cohen of Ben & Jerry's, who is one of his supporters and an activist himself, but didn't hear back. People are reluctant to address the issue on his subreddit. I've tried posting extensive information on the subject twice already [1] [2] His supporters are not even informed enough themselves. It's up to us and the EFF to get the message out there. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/474b28/sanders_would_look_great_if_he_sided_with_apple/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/474b28... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/49otvu/the_mass_surveillance_debate_kicked_off_by/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/49otvu... EDIT: I'm trying via the coders for sanders slack group now
- bhaumik 11y ago
  I don't have any personal connections but you can try reaching out to someone on the campaign team [1] over Twitter. It's still a shot in the dark but you're more likely to get their attention there than over email. [1] http://www.p2016.org/sanders/sandersorg.html http://www.p2016.org/sanders/sandersorg.html
  - studentrob 11y ago
    I've tweeted at a few groups and people recently [1]. Nobody replies or communicates on that service. They just retweet and parrot their own viewpoints. I'll give it a shot though, thanks. I'm not really a twitter kind of person so I admit I could be doing it wrong. [1] https://twitter.com/studentrob/with_replies https://twitter.com/studentrob/with_replies
- dcposch 11y ago
  Kenneth Pennington, the 25-year-old Digital Director for Bernie 2016, might be able to help if you have a way to get in touch with him
  - studentrob 11y ago
    Thanks for the suggestion dcposch, I sent him a message
ams6110 11y ago
His stance on property isn't so great though.
- xacaxulu 11y ago
  The iPhone data will be redistributed fairly.

hanniabu 11y ago

A website with a nice infographic and a few FAQ's explained in relatable layman's terms(with references) would be great. Give it a straight forward domain like backdoorsaredangerous.org or whyencryptionisimportant.org or maybe both with respective information on each. I'd be happy to do this, but I honestly don't understand all these issues well enough myself in order to do a good job scaring people as much as possible while keeping it truthful.

studentrob 11y ago
That'd be awesome! I know the issues pretty well. I've followed news and online discussion fairly constantly since a month ago. Shoot me an email at stillastudent, using Google's email service I'm a developer but not a designer, and anyway it'd be great to work with more people on this One thing I haven't figured out yet is what existing lobbying is happening out there on this issue. For example, is the EFF contacting members of Congress to inform them about encryption? I'm about to write them to ask.
- hanniabu 11y ago
  Sent