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Now that AlphaGo has mastered Go, this article begs the question: where does AI go from here? Are there other high profile games to defeat, or has competition

Now that AlphaGo has mastered Go, this article begs the question: where does AI go from here? Are there other high profile games to defeat, or has competition based AI run out of opponents? This question must have arisen within Google (and Facebook). Certainly IBM will tell you (under duress) that neither chess nor Watson were the game changers they had hoped, at least commercially. If you're Larry Page, what do you do with DeepMind now?

oh_sigh 11y ago
Poker? Daily sports betting sites? Stock markets?
brightball 11y ago
If I'm Larry Page and I really want to get great press for DeepMind - you use it to combat spam and phishing. Specifically, you code it to engage and waste the time of the people on the other side of those scams to waste their time with false positives that they believe to have been hooked by the system. The scammers are working too and everything depends on ROI. If they are having to invest more and more time the returns stop being worth it. If you can teach an AI to do that, you can fix one of the web's biggest nuisances.
- shogun21 11y ago
  Gmail does a pretty good job at spam detection. Without going out of my way, I haven't seen a spam email in years.
  - chongli 11y ago
    I rarely see spam as well. I have had quite a few false positives though.
- nom 11y ago
  That's a really nice application of AI! I find it especially interesting because it would work actively against a group of people to improve the live of others. I think that we can all agree that spam is bad, but still... it has very interesting implications.
- josho 11y ago
  That's brilliant! I wonder what the effort would be to take an existing turing test bot and apply it to my spam folder. Of course once this technique is used the spammers will be forced to deploy their own AIs to deal with the increase in response rates. Which of course this act will come to be called our first AI War. :P
  - ASalazarMX 11y ago
    This would actually be great for the field.
soup10 11y ago
Chess and Go were fascinating games for AI because they appear so mathematically precise and calculation dependent you'd think computers would easily win like they would at an arithmetic contest. It's really a testament to human intelligence that they held up as well as they did.
chromaton 11y ago
Soccer.
- martincmartin 11y ago
  http://www.robocup.org/ http://www.robocup.org/
emodendroket 11y ago
AlphaGo has not "mastered" go, given that human opponents are still sometimes able to beat it.
- TheCoreh 11y ago
  Depends on your definition. I think under the common meaning of the word, to be a master doesn't mean you're undefeatable, just that you're quite good.
Someone 11y ago
Jaap van den Herik (https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Jaap+van+den+Herik https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Jaap+van+den+Herik) predicts that, within 20 years, a computer will beat humans at playing Diplomacy. I think that is a quite interesting challenge, but high profile? too few people know that game. Also, measuring that the computer is better will be problematic, as humans (or, for that matter, computers) could conspire to let one of their own ilk win.
link_108 11y ago
I hope starcraft is next!
tim333 11y ago
Larry is basically letting Demis do his thing. Some things Demis is working on: Starcraft like 3d worlds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5ZtPazvF0&feature=youtu.be&t=1h8m06s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5ZtPazvF0&feature=youtu.be... Imagination and the hippocampus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X-NdPtFKq0&feature=youtu.be&t=25m36s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X-NdPtFKq0&feature=youtu.be... And longer term he's said he'd like to use AI for science research like going through CERN's petabytes of data looking for new physics.
mindcrime 11y ago
where does AI go from here? Are there other high profile games to defeat, or has competition based AI run out of opponents? Not sure about "high profile" but there are a lot of other abstract strategy games out there, which might be candidates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_abstract_strategy_games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_abstract_strategy_game... But what a lot of people seem to be talking about is AI vs human in something like Starcraft. My personal hope is that researchers working on this kind of video game playing AI will use an Open Source game though, so it will be easier for others to follow along, participate, etc. If you're Larry Page, what do you do with DeepMind now? Good question, because it's hard to know exactly how well this generalizes to other domain(s). That would probably be one of the first questions I'd start looking into.

oh_sigh 11y ago

Poker? Daily sports betting sites? Stock markets?

brightball 11y ago

If I'm Larry Page and I really want to get great press for DeepMind - you use it to combat spam and phishing. Specifically, you code it to engage and waste the time of the people on the other side of those scams to waste their time with false positives that they believe to have been hooked by the system. The scammers are working too and everything depends on ROI. If they are having to invest more and more time the returns stop being worth it. If you can teach an AI to do that, you can fix one of the web's biggest nuisances.

shogun21 11y ago
Gmail does a pretty good job at spam detection. Without going out of my way, I haven't seen a spam email in years.
- chongli 11y ago
  I rarely see spam as well. I have had quite a few false positives though.
nom 11y ago
That's a really nice application of AI! I find it especially interesting because it would work actively against a group of people to improve the live of others. I think that we can all agree that spam is bad, but still... it has very interesting implications.
josho 11y ago
That's brilliant! I wonder what the effort would be to take an existing turing test bot and apply it to my spam folder. Of course once this technique is used the spammers will be forced to deploy their own AIs to deal with the increase in response rates. Which of course this act will come to be called our first AI War. :P
- ASalazarMX 11y ago
  This would actually be great for the field.

soup10 11y ago

Chess and Go were fascinating games for AI because they appear so mathematically precise and calculation dependent you'd think computers would easily win like they would at an arithmetic contest. It's really a testament to human intelligence that they held up as well as they did.

chromaton 11y ago

Soccer.

martincmartin 11y ago
http://www.robocup.org/ http://www.robocup.org/

emodendroket 11y ago

AlphaGo has not "mastered" go, given that human opponents are still sometimes able to beat it.

TheCoreh 11y ago
Depends on your definition. I think under the common meaning of the word, to be a master doesn't mean you're undefeatable, just that you're quite good.

Someone 11y ago

Jaap van den Herik (https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Jaap+van+den+Herik https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Jaap+van+den+Herik) predicts that, within 20 years, a computer will beat humans at playing Diplomacy. I think that is a quite interesting challenge, but high profile? too few people know that game. Also, measuring that the computer is better will be problematic, as humans (or, for that matter, computers) could conspire to let one of their own ilk win.

link_108 11y ago

I hope starcraft is next!

tim333 11y ago

Larry is basically letting Demis do his thing. Some things Demis is working on: Starcraft like 3d worlds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5ZtPazvF0&feature=youtu.be&t=1h8m06s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5ZtPazvF0&feature=youtu.be... Imagination and the hippocampus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X-NdPtFKq0&feature=youtu.be&t=25m36s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X-NdPtFKq0&feature=youtu.be... And longer term he's said he'd like to use AI for science research like going through CERN's petabytes of data looking for new physics.

mindcrime 11y ago

where does AI go from here? Are there other high profile games to defeat, or has competition based AI run out of opponents? Not sure about "high profile" but there are a lot of other abstract strategy games out there, which might be candidates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_abstract_strategy_games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_abstract_strategy_game... But what a lot of people seem to be talking about is AI vs human in something like Starcraft. My personal hope is that researchers working on this kind of video game playing AI will use an Open Source game though, so it will be easier for others to follow along, participate, etc. If you're Larry Page, what do you do with DeepMind now? Good question, because it's hard to know exactly how well this generalizes to other domain(s). That would probably be one of the first questions I'd start looking into.