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Upvote upvote upvote. The whole point of the 2nd Amendment was that the country was founded by taking up arms against tyranny, and the framers knew that the n

Upvote upvote upvote. The whole point of the 2nd Amendment was that the country was founded by taking up arms against tyranny, and the framers knew that the new government they were forming could just as easily lean towards tyranny. Well, we're here. The police are no longer community organizations, rather they're full military units charged with waging war against the citizens they purport to protect. Personally, I lean towards the side of always needing guns available, as a check. Quote nukes and F-16s all you like, civil uprisings are much more likely in a country where people are armed, no matter how poorly in comparison to the military. That said, as I see tyranny increasing and police militarization increasing there is no part of me willing to now part with the rights I have left. All that said, guns are not safe, they are for killing. The woman quoted in the article got lax in a place that requires constant vigilance (gun safety). One of the biggest problems with our gun culture is that the divide runs along the "don't take our guns!" line, and rational discussion, where we can admit the truth about the dangers ownership presents aren't heard.

pjc50 11y ago
> civil uprisings are much more likely in a country where people are armed* Yes - but this is not a good thing! It's a bug not a feature! I started this thread mentioning Dunblane, but perhaps I should have mentioned the Easter Risings and the Good Friday Agreement instead. The UK had an armed uprising for decades in Northern Ireland and it was terrible. I can't seem to get any of the guns-are-important-for-fighting-the-government advocates to engage with this and look at what actually happened when people responded to civil and human rights violations with AR-15s and Semtex.
- krapp 11y ago
  >Yes - but this is not a good thing! It's a bug not a feature! From the point of view of many Americans, not only is it a feature, but the defining feature of a free state. Then again, many Americans take to heart Jefferson's line about the 'Tree of Liberty needing to be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants' without realizing what he actually meant by referring to both patriots and tyrants as 'its natural manure.'

pjc50 11y ago

> civil uprisings are much more likely in a country where people are armed* Yes - but this is not a good thing! It's a bug not a feature! I started this thread mentioning Dunblane, but perhaps I should have mentioned the Easter Risings and the Good Friday Agreement instead. The UK had an armed uprising for decades in Northern Ireland and it was terrible. I can't seem to get any of the guns-are-important-for-fighting-the-government advocates to engage with this and look at what actually happened when people responded to civil and human rights violations with AR-15s and Semtex.

krapp 11y ago
>Yes - but this is not a good thing! It's a bug not a feature! From the point of view of many Americans, not only is it a feature, but the defining feature of a free state. Then again, many Americans take to heart Jefferson's line about the 'Tree of Liberty needing to be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants' without realizing what he actually meant by referring to both patriots and tyrants as 'its natural manure.'