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I've noticed that too. The trend of right wing gun activists to support increased survalence. It's an odd issue that seems to draw support from both political

by valine 11y ago

I've noticed that too. The trend of right wing gun activists to support increased survalence. It's an odd issue that seems to draw support from both political parties. President Obama has made his stance on privacy and survalence pretty clear. Ironicically it's the same stance that most of the republican candidates are taking.

nsxwolf 11y ago
I am a right wing gun nut and I am strongly pro-Snowden, for what its worth. I am a gun nut because I fear government, and the NSA revelations are proof that my fears are justified. A lot of other gun nuts think like me. Don't assume the Republican party represents us.
- welterde 11y ago
  How does having a gun alleviate your fear of the government?
  - nsxwolf 11y ago
    I don't recall saying it did.
    - welterde 11y ago
      Perhaps I worded it poorly.. why have guns if you fear the government? How does being a gun nut and fearing the government relate?
      - nsxwolf 11y ago
        An armed populace is a deterrent to the worst abuses. Even with the modern military. They can't drone strike everyone and can't carpet bomb every town. Guerrilla wars are bloody and hard to win, as Vietnam and Iraq showed.
        welterde 11y ago
        Don't really see this happening in a modern western country to be honest. Or do you have some concrete scenario in mind? There are limits on how much the military will blindly follow orders. So either it will only affect small groups of people (in which case having the house full of weapons and explosives will be of limited help to you [2]) or it will affect enough people, that even the people in the military might start wondering if they are doing the right thing here. Also isn't Iraq an counter example to your point (as mentioned in a parent post [1])? Since it did have a fairly high gun ownership rate and yet it had an oppressive government. Or did it simply not yet reach the necessary worst abuses level yet? Or was the gun ownership rate not high enough? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11289520 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11289520 [2] heard some funny stories from bomb squad people, about such encounters.. really have to wonder what these people are thinking

by valine 11y ago

nsxwolf 11y ago

I am a right wing gun nut and I am strongly pro-Snowden, for what its worth. I am a gun nut because I fear government, and the NSA revelations are proof that my fears are justified. A lot of other gun nuts think like me. Don't assume the Republican party represents us.

welterde 11y ago
How does having a gun alleviate your fear of the government?
- nsxwolf 11y ago
  I don't recall saying it did.
  - welterde 11y ago
    Perhaps I worded it poorly.. why have guns if you fear the government? How does being a gun nut and fearing the government relate?
    - nsxwolf 11y ago
      An armed populace is a deterrent to the worst abuses. Even with the modern military. They can't drone strike everyone and can't carpet bomb every town. Guerrilla wars are bloody and hard to win, as Vietnam and Iraq showed.
      - welterde 11y ago
        Don't really see this happening in a modern western country to be honest. Or do you have some concrete scenario in mind? There are limits on how much the military will blindly follow orders. So either it will only affect small groups of people (in which case having the house full of weapons and explosives will be of limited help to you [2]) or it will affect enough people, that even the people in the military might start wondering if they are doing the right thing here. Also isn't Iraq an counter example to your point (as mentioned in a parent post [1])? Since it did have a fairly high gun ownership rate and yet it had an oppressive government. Or did it simply not yet reach the necessary worst abuses level yet? Or was the gun ownership rate not high enough? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11289520 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11289520 [2] heard some funny stories from bomb squad people, about such encounters.. really have to wonder what these people are thinking