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While I agree that privacy and secure communications are the best means to protect kids in the first world, there are still enough horrible people in the world

by TACIXAT 11y ago

While I agree that privacy and secure communications are the best means to protect kids in the first world, there are still enough horrible people in the world who rape children and take pictures, as well, there is child sex trafficking. We shouldn't forget that these things exist and reduce child porn to snapchat and selfies.

fl0wenol 11y ago
The availability of strong encryption does not enable or disable child rape or human trafficking. This will happen behind traditional closed doors and guarded with guns and/or money unless other aspects of society and human nature change.
Silhouette 11y ago
We shouldn't forget that these things exist and reduce child porn to snapchat and selfies. No, of course we shouldn't. There really are bad people in the world, and some of them really do do very evil things, and there really are good reasons to have police and security services, and they really do need reasonable powers to enable them to do their jobs and deal with the bad people. But what we should do is keep these things in perspective and ideally set public policy based on evidence and rational arguments. Creating security loopholes that might help the authorities to find and stop a small number of genuinely evil people but might also create millions of new vulnerabilities to be targeted by other evil people (or even the same ones) isn't necessarily a good trade-off.
EdHominem 11y ago
> there are still enough horrible people in the world who [emotion instead of substance] What's the evidence that we need [abusive bill of the day] to fix that? Why do we think the potential harm averted is greater than the harm we know comes from overreaching laws and abusive governments? Human trafficking at all, sex or otherwise, is horrible, common, and relatively easily stopped without new laws - at least for the victims of the moment - so go spend time and effort helping rather than beating the panic drum as you are now.
- TACIXAT 11y ago
  I think you're reading a little more into my comment than was there. I didn't agree with what the parent comment said about child porn. I'm very much in favor of secure communication channels and privacy.

by TACIXAT 11y ago

fl0wenol 11y ago

The availability of strong encryption does not enable or disable child rape or human trafficking. This will happen behind traditional closed doors and guarded with guns and/or money unless other aspects of society and human nature change.

Silhouette 11y ago

We shouldn't forget that these things exist and reduce child porn to snapchat and selfies. No, of course we shouldn't. There really are bad people in the world, and some of them really do do very evil things, and there really are good reasons to have police and security services, and they really do need reasonable powers to enable them to do their jobs and deal with the bad people. But what we should do is keep these things in perspective and ideally set public policy based on evidence and rational arguments. Creating security loopholes that might help the authorities to find and stop a small number of genuinely evil people but might also create millions of new vulnerabilities to be targeted by other evil people (or even the same ones) isn't necessarily a good trade-off.

EdHominem 11y ago

> there are still enough horrible people in the world who [emotion instead of substance] What's the evidence that we need [abusive bill of the day] to fix that? Why do we think the potential harm averted is greater than the harm we know comes from overreaching laws and abusive governments? Human trafficking at all, sex or otherwise, is horrible, common, and relatively easily stopped without new laws - at least for the victims of the moment - so go spend time and effort helping rather than beating the panic drum as you are now.

TACIXAT 11y ago
I think you're reading a little more into my comment than was there. I didn't agree with what the parent comment said about child porn. I'm very much in favor of secure communication channels and privacy.