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The spy state already officially exists. This is just theatrics. This can all be done behind closed doors without public involvement. The terms of this debate

by rubyfan 11y ago

The spy state already officially exists. This is just theatrics. This can all be done behind closed doors without public involvement. The terms of this debate were chosen by the executive branch to vilify companies and individual supporters of encryption. What the government wants is to have this debate in the open and for a large enough portion of the public to accept the argument the government should be able to break into your phone with a warrant. The "with a warrant" clause is good cop - bad cop. The FBI is making the high road argument that all this is legit and above board and to fight terrorism. On the other hand the NSA is doing the dirty work and then oh by the way now the data they have collected is available to the FBI... You know to fight terrorism.

goldenkey 11y ago
Seems rather silly to bet on a horse against Apple. Though Americans are largely uneducated and uninformed about signing keys and public private key encryption, in fact good ol Trump said some reactionary ignorant stuff about boycotting Apple..I wouldnt put it past Apple to include a pamphlet or some type of effort to educate people about how important private keys are. Trump and the durr people are all about us vs terrorists and villify Apple but most of it stems from ignorance. If the government wants to bet on that horse I hope it drags them though the mud for a lap or two
cuckcuckspruce 11y ago
> The spy state already officially exists. [...] This is just theatrics. Indeed. It's more than likely that the FBI could just ask the NSA to break the phone, but if they do so then they have just admitted that the NSA can already do this and will have publicly exposed that capability. If the FBI is smart then the plan is likely to fight Apple to the end, lose, and then have terrorists, pedophiles, drug dealers, and members of the woodwind sections of orchestras move to the iPhone because "it's so secure the FBI can't get in!" all while letting the NSA break any iPhone they need and bootstrap the found evidence through parallel construction.
acqq 11y ago
> The terms of this debate were chosen by the executive branch to vilify companies and individual supporters of encryption. I, and Apple too, claim that the terms were chosen to establish a precedent that would enable FBI to next time request from Apple to change their products all without going through the process of creating new laws. Because the current laws don't allow that demand, to "make such software" or "change hardware that way." The FBI cites the "All Writs Act" as what gives them that right (their current demand is already "write new software with a hole"), and that act absolutely doesn't contain anything more than "the courts can issue writs." (!) It sounds like a comedy but it's serious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act

by rubyfan 11y ago

goldenkey 11y ago

Seems rather silly to bet on a horse against Apple. Though Americans are largely uneducated and uninformed about signing keys and public private key encryption, in fact good ol Trump said some reactionary ignorant stuff about boycotting Apple..I wouldnt put it past Apple to include a pamphlet or some type of effort to educate people about how important private keys are. Trump and the durr people are all about us vs terrorists and villify Apple but most of it stems from ignorance. If the government wants to bet on that horse I hope it drags them though the mud for a lap or two

cuckcuckspruce 11y ago

> The spy state already officially exists. [...] This is just theatrics. Indeed. It's more than likely that the FBI could just ask the NSA to break the phone, but if they do so then they have just admitted that the NSA can already do this and will have publicly exposed that capability. If the FBI is smart then the plan is likely to fight Apple to the end, lose, and then have terrorists, pedophiles, drug dealers, and members of the woodwind sections of orchestras move to the iPhone because "it's so secure the FBI can't get in!" all while letting the NSA break any iPhone they need and bootstrap the found evidence through parallel construction.

acqq 11y ago

> The terms of this debate were chosen by the executive branch to vilify companies and individual supporters of encryption. I, and Apple too, claim that the terms were chosen to establish a precedent that would enable FBI to next time request from Apple to change their products all without going through the process of creating new laws. Because the current laws don't allow that demand, to "make such software" or "change hardware that way." The FBI cites the "All Writs Act" as what gives them that right (their current demand is already "write new software with a hole"), and that act absolutely doesn't contain anything more than "the courts can issue writs." (!) It sounds like a comedy but it's serious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act