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In cases like these, if a collision occurs, who is at fault? Presumably it is the "driver", especially in this case, right? But if/when this gets into the cou

In cases like these, if a collision occurs, who is at fault? Presumably it is the "driver", especially in this case, right? But if/when this gets into the court system, when do people start going after the "self-driving" manufacturers, who have much, much deeper pockets than your average car owner.

ghaff 11y ago
Especially if people start arguing that the manufacturers are effectively going "pay full attention at all times. Nudge. Nudge. Wink. Wink." knowing that people routinely don't pay attention when automated systems like these are used.
- gambiting 11y ago
  There are places in the world(I saw it in Netherlands) where you have a "cruise control forbidden" signs. Yes, even the dumb cruise control that only holds a set speed. I saw those signs near construction zones and such, I guess the idea is that people should pay 100% attention in there.
davidmr 11y ago
To me (who, to be fair, has no experience in this area), it seems that the only long term solution to this liability issue is a government-funded and controlled fund accompanied by legal changes prohibiting these cases from going to "normal" court. For something that is a demonstrable way of saving huge numbers of lives, but still carries some risk, using the model of the vaccination side effect fund seems like a good one to me.
- eru 11y ago
  For complete self-driving cars, it's seems obvious that the manufacturer should be liable. And a lot of people want it that way: - Google wants to be liable. - The passengers doesn't want to be liable. - Insurance companies would perhaps like to go after the entity with deeper pockets, too?
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avs733 11y ago
This, unsurprisingly, has generally been the death of previous attempts at automated cars, especially when the efforts included modified roads and attempts to have cars form convoys to cut down on air resistance. [1] [1] Granted, this is anecdotal, but it comes from a former faculty member who taught my control systems course in college. Last I heard he was working on systems for auto landing UAVs on aircraft carriers. He had worked on a number of grants related to autonomous driving and said that every time they had something technologically ready the lawyers basically couldn't find a way to make it happen.

ghaff 11y ago

Especially if people start arguing that the manufacturers are effectively going "pay full attention at all times. Nudge. Nudge. Wink. Wink." knowing that people routinely don't pay attention when automated systems like these are used.

gambiting 11y ago
There are places in the world(I saw it in Netherlands) where you have a "cruise control forbidden" signs. Yes, even the dumb cruise control that only holds a set speed. I saw those signs near construction zones and such, I guess the idea is that people should pay 100% attention in there.

davidmr 11y ago

To me (who, to be fair, has no experience in this area), it seems that the only long term solution to this liability issue is a government-funded and controlled fund accompanied by legal changes prohibiting these cases from going to "normal" court. For something that is a demonstrable way of saving huge numbers of lives, but still carries some risk, using the model of the vaccination side effect fund seems like a good one to me.

eru 11y ago
For complete self-driving cars, it's seems obvious that the manufacturer should be liable. And a lot of people want it that way: - Google wants to be liable. - The passengers doesn't want to be liable. - Insurance companies would perhaps like to go after the entity with deeper pockets, too?

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avs733 11y ago

This, unsurprisingly, has generally been the death of previous attempts at automated cars, especially when the efforts included modified roads and attempts to have cars form convoys to cut down on air resistance. [1] [1] Granted, this is anecdotal, but it comes from a former faculty member who taught my control systems course in college. Last I heard he was working on systems for auto landing UAVs on aircraft carriers. He had worked on a number of grants related to autonomous driving and said that every time they had something technologically ready the lawyers basically couldn't find a way to make it happen.