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I think most tech savvy millennials already subscribe to determinism in some form.
by bendbro 11y ago
I think most tech savvy millennials already subscribe to determinism in some form.
- chrischen 11y agoQuantum physicists do not. Determinism has been experimentally disproven.
- balfirevic 11y agoParent commenter might have meant materialism instead of determinism.
- GolDDranks 11y agoThat's not right. The combination of 1) local 2) realist 3) determinism has been disproven by Bell's theorem. But I it's still a "pick two" kind of choice. I, personally think that by Occam's razor, the Everett interpretation ("Many Worlds") makes the most sense, because it's simplest. And actually it retains all of the above three, but it introduces "self-locating uncertainty" (http://arxiv.org/abs/1405.7907 http://arxiv.org/abs/1405.7907), which effectively has the same kind of effect from our perspective.
- chrischen 11y agoIf you subscribe to many-worlds, then you subscribe to quantum theory, which means you subscribe to quantum indeterminacy. Non-determinism is literally the name of the principle.
- bendbro 11y agoIs quantum indeterminacy related to the Uncertainty Principle? Also, isn't it assumed that quantum effects don't bubble up to the classical level?
- zardo 11y agoBut the only thing that's undetermined is which universe you will find yourself in. In many worlds the multiverse is determined. It's a space-time graph (tree?) with a root at the start of time and leaves at infinity.
- miltondts 11y agoBell's theorem has not proven anything because it assumes free will.[1] This has not been shown to exist. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdeterminism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdeterminism
- misnome 11y agoBut in the contexts of this argument, it depends how much of the operation of the brain is dependent on quantum mechanics, which is unknown (if any).
- Swizec 11y agoYes and no. I think when most people say "determinism" they actually mean "probabilitism". You can't deterministically define the outcome of events, but you can assess the probabilities of outcomes. Determinism does work retrospectively though.
- erikpukinskis 11y agoSpeak for yourself.