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I hoped he would have touched on one more important and oft overlooked point: Encryption is not a secret. It's accessible to criminals, and criminals don't giv

I hoped he would have touched on one more important and oft overlooked point: Encryption is not a secret. It's accessible to criminals, and criminals don't give a shit about "backdoor" laws. In fact, I'd venture to guess that there is great encryption software already available on jail broken iPhones.

baldfat 11y ago
Well what we have seen in actual practice is in France and other terror attacks that they used no encryption so far. http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-18/a-back-door-to-encryption-won-t-stop-terrorists http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-18/a-back-door... What we have also seen in regards to just use of technology is the reign of default. I I doubt that criminals would go for an unlocked iPhone for security reasons for a few reason but one being that is beyond them.
- jschwartzi 11y ago
  ISIS is known to use encryption in their communications.
  - baldfat 11y ago
    I specifically spoke about the attacks in Paris which was originally blamed on Snowden and encryption but actually they didn't use encrypted communication.
  - will_hughes 11y ago
    Do they? Do you have evidence to back that up? The bits I've read suggest that they don't - or at least not widely. Eg: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/11/paris_terrorist.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/11/paris_terrori...
    - stoshe 11y ago
      http://www.businessinsider.com/telegram-isis-app-encrypted-propagandar-2015-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/telegram-isis-app-encrypted-p...
      - will_hughes 11y ago
        There's only one mention of ISIS affiliated chat channels on Telegram, not that it's actually been used by actual terrorists. The rest of the speculation in that article was called out and refuted by the link I supplied.
- mangeletti 11y ago
  Considering that ISIS has a website[1] protected by TOR, I'm pretty sure they could figure out how to jail break an iPhone, which takes about 10 minutes and a YouTube tutorial. I apologize, if I'm wrong, but I can't help but feel like you're being disingenuous. 1. http://motherboard.vice.com/read/isis-now-has-a-propaganda-site-on-the-dark-web http://motherboard.vice.com/read/isis-now-has-a-propaganda-s...
  - baldfat 11y ago
    Though there is a tor website is does it actually get visited by people? Seems like Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Telegram has been more successful for them.
drakenot 11y ago
He did touch on this point. He said that no matter what the outcome if this case is, real encryption is still just an app away. He then listed several 3rd party encryption apps.
- mangeletti 11y ago
  Ah, good catch. I hadn't noticed that. I miss words all the time when listening to British people speak.
squeaky-clean 11y ago
He brings this up around 13:30, when he mentions Telegram has 100 million downloads, and that if the government forced them to weaken their encryption, other apps with pop up 5 minutes later.

baldfat 11y ago

Well what we have seen in actual practice is in France and other terror attacks that they used no encryption so far. http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-18/a-back-door-to-encryption-won-t-stop-terrorists http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-18/a-back-door... What we have also seen in regards to just use of technology is the reign of default. I I doubt that criminals would go for an unlocked iPhone for security reasons for a few reason but one being that is beyond them.

jschwartzi 11y ago
ISIS is known to use encryption in their communications.
- baldfat 11y ago
  I specifically spoke about the attacks in Paris which was originally blamed on Snowden and encryption but actually they didn't use encrypted communication.
- will_hughes 11y ago
  Do they? Do you have evidence to back that up? The bits I've read suggest that they don't - or at least not widely. Eg: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/11/paris_terrorist.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/11/paris_terrori...
  - stoshe 11y ago
    http://www.businessinsider.com/telegram-isis-app-encrypted-propagandar-2015-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/telegram-isis-app-encrypted-p...
    - will_hughes 11y ago
      There's only one mention of ISIS affiliated chat channels on Telegram, not that it's actually been used by actual terrorists. The rest of the speculation in that article was called out and refuted by the link I supplied.
mangeletti 11y ago
Considering that ISIS has a website[1] protected by TOR, I'm pretty sure they could figure out how to jail break an iPhone, which takes about 10 minutes and a YouTube tutorial. I apologize, if I'm wrong, but I can't help but feel like you're being disingenuous. 1. http://motherboard.vice.com/read/isis-now-has-a-propaganda-site-on-the-dark-web http://motherboard.vice.com/read/isis-now-has-a-propaganda-s...
- baldfat 11y ago
  Though there is a tor website is does it actually get visited by people? Seems like Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Telegram has been more successful for them.

drakenot 11y ago

He did touch on this point. He said that no matter what the outcome if this case is, real encryption is still just an app away. He then listed several 3rd party encryption apps.

mangeletti 11y ago
Ah, good catch. I hadn't noticed that. I miss words all the time when listening to British people speak.

squeaky-clean 11y ago

He brings this up around 13:30, when he mentions Telegram has 100 million downloads, and that if the government forced them to weaken their encryption, other apps with pop up 5 minutes later.