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False. The most cited person is Russell Barkley and his advice is the one that goes through. His work is considered a paradigm shift that the literature revolve

False. The most cited person is Russell Barkley and his advice is the one that goes through. His work is considered a paradigm shift that the literature revolves around. We know it is very severe from the 4th edition it states there have been over 300 studies done on stimulants in kids in ADHD and we know it's safe. Wait till they're in high school but it's too powerful to be overcome, sorry, it's strict consensus and well corroborated. Not even high intelligence is powerful enough to overcome it. It's a developmental disorder, their brains aren't done developing until they're in their late twenties or early thirties, you can't "wait it out". http://www.drthomasebrown.com/pdfs/HighIQAdults.JADonlineversion.pdf http://www.drthomasebrown.com/pdfs/HighIQAdults.JADonlinever... Look read it. It's a well known fact working memory decides school performance better than I.Q. (I can grab that study) look at those ratios. I have it. I'm aware of the literature. https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=lG2w3PAAAAAJ&hl=en https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=lG2w3PAAAAAJ&hl=en http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/289931.php http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/289931.php <-- ^^ ADHD DOUBLES-QUADRUPLES your mortality rate. If you're a girl it's 3x the average person. It's severe.

fweespee_ch 11y ago
1) Correct diagnosis is important. 2) ADHD meds have side effects. http://childmind.org/article/side-effects-of-adhd-medication/ http://childmind.org/article/side-effects-of-adhd-medication...
- eruditely 11y ago
  Who doesn't believe in accurate diagnosis? I do. Their life failure rate is that much higher. The data is too strong and well corroborated. I'm providing data and you haven't. When it gets to last 2 years of high school meds matter, but what if they've repeated a grade already? That's not fair to them.
  - fweespee_ch 11y ago
    > Who doesn't believe in accurate diagnosis? I do. Then you shouldn't be pushing ADHD meds on 6-7 year olds. > I'm providing data and you haven't. When it gets to last 2 years of high school meds matter, but what if they've repeated a grade already? That's not fair to them. You are aware I was talking about 6-7 year olds based on what I wrote in the first comment I replied to, right? I'm not talking about high school students or even Jr High students. I'm perfectly fine with them being diagnosed at that point. I think the problem is you are missing what part of the OP I was talking about.
    - eruditely 11y ago
      They're still behind in effective brain development no matter what. When they're in high school, say 14 years old 14-4.2= 9.8, so they're 9.8 on avg in exec functioning. It isn't the same thing. But yes, wait a medium amount.
      - fweespee_ch 11y ago
        > They're still behind in effective brain development no matter what. The whole point of the article is they were "finding" 20-100% of the younger members of the same grade level had ADHD. ADHD shouldn't be detected at 20-100% higher rates at 6 instead of 7 at the same grade level if the process was working correctly. That isn't okay. Period. Maybe I take this a bit personally because I have a friend who had all 3 kids who were misdiagnosed at 7-8 and at 8-9 they were told they were "normal" and to stop medication. ADHD doesn't magically cure itself in a year.
        eruditely 11y ago
        Look at the extensive literature regarding children at this. http://www.filedropper.com/russellabarkley-attention-deficithyperactivitydisorderahandbookfordiagnosisandtreatment-theguilfordpress2014 http://www.filedropper.com/russellabarkley-attention-deficit... I don't care if you take it personally, you don't know math. https://www.math.hmc.edu/funfacts/ffiles/30002.6.shtml https://www.math.hmc.edu/funfacts/ffiles/30002.6.shtml > Suppose that you are worried that you might have a rare disease. You decide to get tested, and suppose that the testing methods for this disease are correct 99 percent of the time (in other words, if you have the disease, it shows that you do with 99 percent probability, and if you don't have the disease, it shows that you do not with 99 percent probability). Suppose this disease is actually quite rare, occurring randomly in the general population in only one of every 10,000 people. No matter how accurate the test diagnosis is there will still be false positives. Please go away, it's stubborn people like you who never go away that make this disorder so hard to take seriously. > Stimulants include both methylphenidate (MPH) and amphetamine (AMP) compounds. As a treatment for ADHD, the stimulants have decades of efficacy and safety data from hundreds of randomized controlled trials, beginning in the 1970s. Stimulant efficacy and safety data have expanded from an initial focus on school-age children with ADHD to encompass preschoolers, adolescents, and adults with ADHD. A more limited stimulant literature exists for females and ethnic minorities (Adler, 2009; Biederman & Spencer, 2008; Kratochvil, Greenhill, March, Burke, & Vaughan, 2004; Vaughan & Kratochvil, 2012).

fweespee_ch 11y ago

1) Correct diagnosis is important. 2) ADHD meds have side effects. http://childmind.org/article/side-effects-of-adhd-medication/ http://childmind.org/article/side-effects-of-adhd-medication...

eruditely 11y ago
Who doesn't believe in accurate diagnosis? I do. Their life failure rate is that much higher. The data is too strong and well corroborated. I'm providing data and you haven't. When it gets to last 2 years of high school meds matter, but what if they've repeated a grade already? That's not fair to them.
- fweespee_ch 11y ago
  > Who doesn't believe in accurate diagnosis? I do. Then you shouldn't be pushing ADHD meds on 6-7 year olds. > I'm providing data and you haven't. When it gets to last 2 years of high school meds matter, but what if they've repeated a grade already? That's not fair to them. You are aware I was talking about 6-7 year olds based on what I wrote in the first comment I replied to, right? I'm not talking about high school students or even Jr High students. I'm perfectly fine with them being diagnosed at that point. I think the problem is you are missing what part of the OP I was talking about.
  - eruditely 11y ago
    They're still behind in effective brain development no matter what. When they're in high school, say 14 years old 14-4.2= 9.8, so they're 9.8 on avg in exec functioning. It isn't the same thing. But yes, wait a medium amount.
    - fweespee_ch 11y ago
      > They're still behind in effective brain development no matter what. The whole point of the article is they were "finding" 20-100% of the younger members of the same grade level had ADHD. ADHD shouldn't be detected at 20-100% higher rates at 6 instead of 7 at the same grade level if the process was working correctly. That isn't okay. Period. Maybe I take this a bit personally because I have a friend who had all 3 kids who were misdiagnosed at 7-8 and at 8-9 they were told they were "normal" and to stop medication. ADHD doesn't magically cure itself in a year.
      - eruditely 11y ago
        Look at the extensive literature regarding children at this. http://www.filedropper.com/russellabarkley-attention-deficithyperactivitydisorderahandbookfordiagnosisandtreatment-theguilfordpress2014 http://www.filedropper.com/russellabarkley-attention-deficit... I don't care if you take it personally, you don't know math. https://www.math.hmc.edu/funfacts/ffiles/30002.6.shtml https://www.math.hmc.edu/funfacts/ffiles/30002.6.shtml > Suppose that you are worried that you might have a rare disease. You decide to get tested, and suppose that the testing methods for this disease are correct 99 percent of the time (in other words, if you have the disease, it shows that you do with 99 percent probability, and if you don't have the disease, it shows that you do not with 99 percent probability). Suppose this disease is actually quite rare, occurring randomly in the general population in only one of every 10,000 people. No matter how accurate the test diagnosis is there will still be false positives. Please go away, it's stubborn people like you who never go away that make this disorder so hard to take seriously. > Stimulants include both methylphenidate (MPH) and amphetamine (AMP) compounds. As a treatment for ADHD, the stimulants have decades of efficacy and safety data from hundreds of randomized controlled trials, beginning in the 1970s. Stimulant efficacy and safety data have expanded from an initial focus on school-age children with ADHD to encompass preschoolers, adolescents, and adults with ADHD. A more limited stimulant literature exists for females and ethnic minorities (Adler, 2009; Biederman & Spencer, 2008; Kratochvil, Greenhill, March, Burke, & Vaughan, 2004; Vaughan & Kratochvil, 2012).