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> So if your argument is strong encryption, no matter what, and we can and should, in fact, create black boxes, then that I think does not strike the kind of ba

> So if your argument is strong encryption, no matter what, and we can and should, in fact, create black boxes, then that I think does not strike the kind of balance that we have lived with for 200, 300 years. Mr. Obama, you are the one who upset the balance with secret, dragnet surveillance of nearly all communications. That's not the bargain the public has had with law enforcement for the last 300 years. Widespread, end-to-end encryption is simply the natural reaction to the arms race you started. We would have never come to this point if the government had kept surveillance within court-supervised bounds.

over 11y ago
That's a really good point, it's like provoking someone until they scream at you and then accusing them of being unreasonable.
ossreality 11y ago
... the programs that all started long before he was in office? He's at fault for keeping them in place, but that's about it.
- eigenvector 11y ago
  Obama has been President for 7 years, during which time he has consistently supported and expanded the programs started during the Bush presidency. In my view this makes him as culpable as anyone for the position that we are at today. George Bush may have started these programs but he isn't the one launching attacks on the tech industry today. See: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/power-wars-how-obama-justified-expanded-bush-era-surveillance/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/power-wars-how-ob...
studentrob 11y ago
> dragnet surveillance of nearly all communications. That's not the bargain the public has had with law enforcement I'm not sure this is the argument to make to Obama and the DOJ. They are already framing this as a privacy issue The factors they understand are the public safety and economic impacts. Let us speak to those points and allow privacy to be a secondary concern. Obama himself told President Xi last year that the exact same policies would dramatically hurt Xi's economy [1] [1] http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-obama-china-idUSKBN0LY2H520150302 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-obama-china-idUSKBN0LY...

over 11y ago

That's a really good point, it's like provoking someone until they scream at you and then accusing them of being unreasonable.

ossreality 11y ago

... the programs that all started long before he was in office? He's at fault for keeping them in place, but that's about it.

eigenvector 11y ago
Obama has been President for 7 years, during which time he has consistently supported and expanded the programs started during the Bush presidency. In my view this makes him as culpable as anyone for the position that we are at today. George Bush may have started these programs but he isn't the one launching attacks on the tech industry today. See: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/power-wars-how-obama-justified-expanded-bush-era-surveillance/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/power-wars-how-ob...

studentrob 11y ago

> dragnet surveillance of nearly all communications. That's not the bargain the public has had with law enforcement I'm not sure this is the argument to make to Obama and the DOJ. They are already framing this as a privacy issue The factors they understand are the public safety and economic impacts. Let us speak to those points and allow privacy to be a secondary concern. Obama himself told President Xi last year that the exact same policies would dramatically hurt Xi's economy [1] [1] http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-obama-china-idUSKBN0LY2H520150302 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-obama-china-idUSKBN0LY...