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> The youngest students were between 20 percent and 100 percent more likely to get the diagnosis or ADHD medication than were the oldest students in the cohort,

> The youngest students were between 20 percent and 100 percent more likely to get the diagnosis or ADHD medication than were the oldest students in the cohort, says Helga Zoëga, an epidemiologist at the University of Iceland who worked on the Icelandic and Israeli studies. > "Within that age range there is a huge difference in developmental and social and emotional maturity," says Dr. Adiaha Spinks-Franklin, a developmental and behavioral pediatrician at Texas Children's Hospital who was not involved in any of the studies. "A 6-year-old is just not the same as a 7-year-old." > And yet a first-grader might stand shoulder to shoulder with another student nearly 12 months her elder. "And the way we diagnose ADHD is we talk to the parent about the child's behavior, and we mail the teacher questionnaires," Spinks-Franklin says. "The teacher will be comparing the child's behavior relative to other children in the class." That is disturbing. It is clear they aren't taking age into account except at the broadest levels when handing out ADHD medication. This rings dangerous close to "That kid is too much trouble, just medicate them and move on."

eruditely 11y ago
ADHD is a developmental disorder, they're 30% behind their peers anyways in exec functioning(front part of brain) in development, it's called "Barkley's 30% rule" It's very severe and bad but goes away if you just take your meds. So if you're 18, you're when people were at 12.5 in your ability to perceive time/planning. It's worse than having low intelligence, EF deficits. ""By adolescence, these chronic and cumulative experiences with school failure, learning disorders, school misbehavior, and sometimes lower intelligence begin to generate other adverse educational outcomes. For instance, the academic outcome of the hyperactive (ADHD) adolescents was considerably poorer in Barkley and Fischer’s Milwaukee follow-up study at the teen follow-up than that of the typically developing adolescents followed concurrently. At least three times as many hyperactive (ADHD) children had failed a grade (29.3 vs. 10.0%) or been suspended (46.3 vs. 15.2%) or expelled (10.6% vs. 1.5%) (Fischer, Barkley, Edelbrock, & Smallish, 1990). Others have also identified such high educational risks in longitudinal studies dating back as much as 40 years (Ackerman, Dykman, & Peters, 1977; Mendelson, Johnson, & Stewart, 1971; Stewart, Mendelson, & Johnson, 1973; Weiss, Minde, Werry, Douglas, & Nemeth, 1971; Wilson & Marcotte, 1996). In another sample of clinic-referred teenagers with ADHD, a similar risk for school retention and suspension was documented (Barkley, Anastopoulos, Guevremont, & Fletcher, 1991). Almost 10% of the hyperactive sample followed into adolescence had quit school at this follow-up point in the Milwaukee Study, compared to none of the normal sample (Barkley, Fischer, et al., 1990). Fischer and colleagues (1990) also found that the levels of academic achievement on standard tests were significantly below normal on tests of math, reading, and spelling, falling toward the lower end of the normal range (standard scores between 90 and 95)." (Quoted from the 4th edition)" "Substantially fewer hyperactive than control children had ever enrolled in college (21 vs. 78%) or were currently attending at this follow-up point (15 vs. 66%). These findings were reaffirmed 6 years later at the age 27 follow-up (Barkley et al., 2008). In the Canadian follow-up study, approximately 20% attempted a college program, yet only 5% completed a university degree program, compared to over 41% of control children (Weiss & Hechtman, 1993). The longest running (30-year) follow-up study of hyperactive children into midlife likewise indicates that less education is an outcome of childhood ADHD, with 30% either not completing high school or getting a general equivalency diploma (GED), compared to just 4% of the control group (Klein et al., 2012). These findings demonstrate that the educational domain is major in terms of impaired functioning and reduced attainment for children growing up with ADHD." (quoted from the 4th edition handbook) linked below http://www.filedropper.com/russellabarkley-attention-deficithyperactivitydisorderahandbookfordiagnosisandtreatment-theguilfordpress2014 http://www.filedropper.com/russellabarkley-attention-deficit... http://www.amazon.com/Attention-Deficit-Hyperactivity-Disorder-Fourth-Diagnosis/dp/1462517722/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1457913239&sr=1-1&keywords=russell+barkley+handbook http://www.amazon.com/Attention-Deficit-Hyperactivity-Disord...
- fweespee_ch 11y ago
  > The best thing for worried parents to do is just give the kids a chance to grow up, Chen says. In most of the studies done on relative age and ADHD, the difference in diagnosis rates vanished by the time the students reached their teenage years. "I think we have to wait for a while, he says. "We have to have more time to evaluate their behavior, attention and brain development." The problem is they are diagnosing 6-7 year olds and not diagnosing true peers but using proxies for age.
  - eruditely 11y ago
    False. The most cited person is Russell Barkley and his advice is the one that goes through. His work is considered a paradigm shift that the literature revolves around. We know it is very severe from the 4th edition it states there have been over 300 studies done on stimulants in kids in ADHD and we know it's safe. Wait till they're in high school but it's too powerful to be overcome, sorry, it's strict consensus and well corroborated. Not even high intelligence is powerful enough to overcome it. It's a developmental disorder, their brains aren't done developing until they're in their late twenties or early thirties, you can't "wait it out". http://www.drthomasebrown.com/pdfs/HighIQAdults.JADonlineversion.pdf http://www.drthomasebrown.com/pdfs/HighIQAdults.JADonlinever... Look read it. It's a well known fact working memory decides school performance better than I.Q. (I can grab that study) look at those ratios. I have it. I'm aware of the literature. https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=lG2w3PAAAAAJ&hl=en https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=lG2w3PAAAAAJ&hl=en http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/289931.php http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/289931.php <-- ^^ ADHD DOUBLES-QUADRUPLES your mortality rate. If you're a girl it's 3x the average person. It's severe.
    - fweespee_ch 11y ago
      1) Correct diagnosis is important. 2) ADHD meds have side effects. http://childmind.org/article/side-effects-of-adhd-medication/ http://childmind.org/article/side-effects-of-adhd-medication...
      - 11y ago

eruditely 11y ago

ADHD is a developmental disorder, they're 30% behind their peers anyways in exec functioning(front part of brain) in development, it's called "Barkley's 30% rule" It's very severe and bad but goes away if you just take your meds. So if you're 18, you're when people were at 12.5 in your ability to perceive time/planning. It's worse than having low intelligence, EF deficits. ""By adolescence, these chronic and cumulative experiences with school failure, learning disorders, school misbehavior, and sometimes lower intelligence begin to generate other adverse educational outcomes. For instance, the academic outcome of the hyperactive (ADHD) adolescents was considerably poorer in Barkley and Fischer’s Milwaukee follow-up study at the teen follow-up than that of the typically developing adolescents followed concurrently. At least three times as many hyperactive (ADHD) children had failed a grade (29.3 vs. 10.0%) or been suspended (46.3 vs. 15.2%) or expelled (10.6% vs. 1.5%) (Fischer, Barkley, Edelbrock, & Smallish, 1990). Others have also identified such high educational risks in longitudinal studies dating back as much as 40 years (Ackerman, Dykman, & Peters, 1977; Mendelson, Johnson, & Stewart, 1971; Stewart, Mendelson, & Johnson, 1973; Weiss, Minde, Werry, Douglas, & Nemeth, 1971; Wilson & Marcotte, 1996). In another sample of clinic-referred teenagers with ADHD, a similar risk for school retention and suspension was documented (Barkley, Anastopoulos, Guevremont, & Fletcher, 1991). Almost 10% of the hyperactive sample followed into adolescence had quit school at this follow-up point in the Milwaukee Study, compared to none of the normal sample (Barkley, Fischer, et al., 1990). Fischer and colleagues (1990) also found that the levels of academic achievement on standard tests were significantly below normal on tests of math, reading, and spelling, falling toward the lower end of the normal range (standard scores between 90 and 95)." (Quoted from the 4th edition)" "Substantially fewer hyperactive than control children had ever enrolled in college (21 vs. 78%) or were currently attending at this follow-up point (15 vs. 66%). These findings were reaffirmed 6 years later at the age 27 follow-up (Barkley et al., 2008). In the Canadian follow-up study, approximately 20% attempted a college program, yet only 5% completed a university degree program, compared to over 41% of control children (Weiss & Hechtman, 1993). The longest running (30-year) follow-up study of hyperactive children into midlife likewise indicates that less education is an outcome of childhood ADHD, with 30% either not completing high school or getting a general equivalency diploma (GED), compared to just 4% of the control group (Klein et al., 2012). These findings demonstrate that the educational domain is major in terms of impaired functioning and reduced attainment for children growing up with ADHD." (quoted from the 4th edition handbook) linked below http://www.filedropper.com/russellabarkley-attention-deficithyperactivitydisorderahandbookfordiagnosisandtreatment-theguilfordpress2014 http://www.filedropper.com/russellabarkley-attention-deficit... http://www.amazon.com/Attention-Deficit-Hyperactivity-Disorder-Fourth-Diagnosis/dp/1462517722/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1457913239&sr=1-1&keywords=russell+barkley+handbook http://www.amazon.com/Attention-Deficit-Hyperactivity-Disord...

fweespee_ch 11y ago
> The best thing for worried parents to do is just give the kids a chance to grow up, Chen says. In most of the studies done on relative age and ADHD, the difference in diagnosis rates vanished by the time the students reached their teenage years. "I think we have to wait for a while, he says. "We have to have more time to evaluate their behavior, attention and brain development." The problem is they are diagnosing 6-7 year olds and not diagnosing true peers but using proxies for age.
- eruditely 11y ago
  False. The most cited person is Russell Barkley and his advice is the one that goes through. His work is considered a paradigm shift that the literature revolves around. We know it is very severe from the 4th edition it states there have been over 300 studies done on stimulants in kids in ADHD and we know it's safe. Wait till they're in high school but it's too powerful to be overcome, sorry, it's strict consensus and well corroborated. Not even high intelligence is powerful enough to overcome it. It's a developmental disorder, their brains aren't done developing until they're in their late twenties or early thirties, you can't "wait it out". http://www.drthomasebrown.com/pdfs/HighIQAdults.JADonlineversion.pdf http://www.drthomasebrown.com/pdfs/HighIQAdults.JADonlinever... Look read it. It's a well known fact working memory decides school performance better than I.Q. (I can grab that study) look at those ratios. I have it. I'm aware of the literature. https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=lG2w3PAAAAAJ&hl=en https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=lG2w3PAAAAAJ&hl=en http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/289931.php http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/289931.php <-- ^^ ADHD DOUBLES-QUADRUPLES your mortality rate. If you're a girl it's 3x the average person. It's severe.
  - fweespee_ch 11y ago
    1) Correct diagnosis is important. 2) ADHD meds have side effects. http://childmind.org/article/side-effects-of-adhd-medication/ http://childmind.org/article/side-effects-of-adhd-medication...
    - 11y ago