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Actually, it's a tradition that both Players should replay the game after the match, discuss about good moves, bad moves and what they were thinking during the
by glasslion 11y ago
Actually, it's a tradition that both Players should replay the game after the match, discuss about good moves, bad moves and what they were thinking during the match.
I felt so sorry for Lee Sedol when I saw him lose the second match, facing an empty chair ,and he could only ask one of his friend to review the game.
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A4%8D%E7%9B%98 https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A4%8D%E7%9B%98
- ktRolster 11y agoHe made $30k for losing that game, so I don't feel too sorry for him.
- vowelless 11y agoIf it really was about money, I don't think he would have spent so much of his life dedicated to Go ...
- simondedalus 11y agoyeah, not to belabor it, but if you can do something like be a champion in go or chess, chances are you have the mental skillset to do something exponentially more lucrative.
- _yosefk 11y agoI dunno, Bobby Fischer was kinda deranged, for instance, and that often hurts outcomes in otherwise "lucrative" positions. Incidentally, he is credited with raising chess player compensation through his demands. Generally I'd guess you're right though.
- iheartmemcache 11y agoMaybe not a leadership position but I've worked on the engineering side of quant work and am familiar enough with fairly advanced Go / Chess players (e.g. national youth champions for age brackets for the US) to know that most of them could make enough to retire off one years salary during the boom years of algorithmic trading (~2003-2007ish). I'm not sure how you define "deranged" (AFAIK, that's not a medically defined term within the DSM-IV) but most of those brilliant people end up being a little 'off'. My father was an academic, one of the people he went to graduate school with was working in Boston while I was a child. He was absolutely groundbreaking work but he's so difficult to collaborate with (think: the mannerisms of Richard Stallman) that he's been floating around universities until his welcome is worn out. He can figure out remarkable things in higher level computational chemistry, but he can't really figure out humans. Had he decided instead during the 80s to work at Renaissance instead of pursuing academic research, he almost certainly would be worth in the low hundreds of millions.
- V-2 11y agoWell, mental issues did break his chess career just the same.
- b3n 11y agoWith the number of tournaments he has won (many of which have a winner's purse of <$100 000) I suspect he is already a millionaire.
- gohrt 11y agoThose are the big tournaments -- do the little tournaments stack up, or is it a year of practice leading up to an annual big win?
- danneu 11y agoThough being able to compel yourself to do great things seems like a completely different skill set from being able to do great things on someone else's dime or on a team. For example, my brilliant programmer friend that can't hold a job. Or the artist that can only paint their own inspirations. Or the savant that doesn't get along with anybody.
- tenementfunster 11y agoHe's probably a huge asshole?
- CydeWeys 11y agoThis is not true. Scientific studies have shown that skills in abstract strategy games are so specific to the game that they do not transfer to other tasks. The urban legend about Chess grandmasters all being geniuses is false, in other words. They're actually worse at most jobs than people who've been doing those jobs for awhile, because they lack the experience, and they aren't more predisposed to having a genius intellect that would let them overcome that. A Chess or Go champion is probably doing the single-most lucrative activity that they are capable of.
- rifung 11y agoI'm not sure you're disagreeing with the person you're responding to. Just because the skills involved are very specific doesn't imply that the people with those skills only are capable of obtaining said skill. What the person you're responding to means is that if they have the mental capacity (and also discipline) to play the game at such a high level, they could probably also excel in other professions if their goal was to make money instead of doing something they loved. Of course we can debate whether they would achieve such success if they were doing something they didn't enjoy as much, but I think most people would argue that most chess or go champions could make more money or in other words do more "lucrative" activities if they chose to do them instead of dedicated all their time to the game.
- CydeWeys 11y agoYou are relying too much on the concept of a generalized mental capacity, which many researchers (maybe even most) would say does not exist. You seem to be assuming that grandmasters are just amazingly smart and they happen to apply those smarts to one particular skill, but what's closer to the truth is that they happen to be particularly amazing at that one skill, in a way that doesn't really correlate strongly with having amazingly high skill in other areas.
- marvy 11y agoBut what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)?
- Evgeny 11y agoFalse dichotomy? It is quite possible to enjoy an activity and gain money at the same time.
- webreac 11y agoI can not find it using google, but there was a Go champion who had stop playing go during one year to earn money playing mah jong.
- tibbon 11y agoThe best (like absolute best) football|basketball|baseball players in the world make approximately what per game?
- Retric 11y agoBest is around 10x that, but at the cost of their body and long term health. Nobody is playing professional football|basketball|baseball in there 50's, and even just 40 is pushing it. Where pro go players can 60+.
- rsync 11y agoGordie Howe played in the NHL until he was 53.[1] Not really refuting your statement, which is essentially true, but it's worth your time to read the wikipedia page. He played on a professional hockey team with his two adult sons at one point(!). He played in the NHL in five different decades. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordie_Howe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordie_Howe
- Retric 11y agoYep, it's interesting to see a few edge cases out there. There are a tiny number of people that came close to 50 in baseball:basketball:football. Julio Franco played baseball till 49. George Blanda played football till 48 Nat Hickey played baseball till 45.
- gohrt 11y agoInterestingly, the world champions seem rather young.
- mindcrime 11y agoWell, defensive end Olivier Vernon just signed a deal with the New York Giants which will pay him an average annual salary of around 17 million dollars. And there was a huge signing bonus as well.[1] NFL seasons are 16 regular season games, plus 4 pre-season games. And then there are the playoffs, which a given team might or might not make or advance in. All told, given that the signing bonus is amortized over all the games he plays, the annual salary, etc., I think it would be fair to say that Vernon will make around a million dollars a game. Aside: Vernon isn't necessarily "the best" DE in the NFL, but due to market forces and the way things work with the salary cap, free agency rules, etc., the contract he just signed is one of the largest for a defensive player in the league. QB's tend to make even more, but I can't recall a really high profile QB who has signed a big deal recently. [1]: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/olivier-vernon/ http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/olivier-vernon/
- massemphasis 11y agoOr the helpless look of Aja Huang... like "I have no idea how to decipher that neural network, that's part of why you are here".