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Perhaps you'd like a shot at explaining why AI is an "amoral field of study", and why it could "delegitimize everything that currently makes humans unique and e

by Bud 11y ago

Perhaps you'd like a shot at explaining why AI is an "amoral field of study", and why it could "delegitimize everything that currently makes humans unique and extraordinary"? Dolphins are about as intelligent as us, too. Are dolphins amoral? Do they delegitimize Beethoven, Tesla, Gödel, Einstein, and da Vinci?

esun 11y ago
Not really related, but dolphins are assholes! http://www.deepseanews.com/2013/02/10-reasons-why-dolphins-are-aholes/ http://www.deepseanews.com/2013/02/10-reasons-why-dolphins-a...
- simonh 11y ago
  Frankly many pre-modern, pre-civilizarion humans were assholes. Read many studies or accounts of life in relatively isolated tribal societies and hair curlingy awful accounts of violent and sometimes institutionalised abuse are uncomfortably common. Leave the safety catches off basic human urges for long and it can get pretty ugly.
  - ceejayoz 11y ago
    > Frankly many pre-modern, pre-civilizarion humans were assholes. While it's somewhat news to me, I'm very glad to hear we've moved past that.
    - Sharlin 11y ago
      I hope that was irony.
      - eru 11y ago
        See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Nature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Natur...
        Sharlin 11y ago
        Yes, I know, it's just completely insane to declare that we've somehow qualitatively moved past our brutish origins as long as torture, rape, and murder remain de facto extensions to politics. I have no reason to doubt that quantitatively we have made some progress - although Pinker's arguments are most definitely not universally accepted in the scientific community.
      - ceejayoz 11y ago
        Very much so. Many modern, "civilized" humans are assholes, and now we've got global audiences for it!
stray 11y ago
Dolphins definitely delegitimize Beethoven. /s
betenoire 11y ago
> Dolphins are about as intelligent as us, too. Are dolphins amoral? Do they delegitimize Beethoven, Tesla, Gödel, Einstein, and da Vinci? If we invented dolphins, and they began to replace and displace us, then maybe? I don't think it is about the intelligence, but in how we use it of course. Dolphins don't really have any control of my life or those around me. That sounded a lot more paranoid than I meant, I actually agree with what I think you are saying
thaumasiotes 11y ago
> Dolphins are about as intelligent as us, too How are you making this comparison?
- eru 11y ago
  I think Bud wanted to make a different point. Ie that AI doesn't delegitimize us---whatever that even means. Dolphins were just an example. He could have used Neanderthals, or Aliens.

by Bud 11y ago

esun 11y ago

Not really related, but dolphins are assholes! http://www.deepseanews.com/2013/02/10-reasons-why-dolphins-are-aholes/ http://www.deepseanews.com/2013/02/10-reasons-why-dolphins-a...

simonh 11y ago
Frankly many pre-modern, pre-civilizarion humans were assholes. Read many studies or accounts of life in relatively isolated tribal societies and hair curlingy awful accounts of violent and sometimes institutionalised abuse are uncomfortably common. Leave the safety catches off basic human urges for long and it can get pretty ugly.
- ceejayoz 11y ago
  > Frankly many pre-modern, pre-civilizarion humans were assholes. While it's somewhat news to me, I'm very glad to hear we've moved past that.
  - Sharlin 11y ago
    I hope that was irony.
    - eru 11y ago
      See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Nature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Natur...
      - Sharlin 11y ago
        Yes, I know, it's just completely insane to declare that we've somehow qualitatively moved past our brutish origins as long as torture, rape, and murder remain de facto extensions to politics. I have no reason to doubt that quantitatively we have made some progress - although Pinker's arguments are most definitely not universally accepted in the scientific community.
    - ceejayoz 11y ago
      Very much so. Many modern, "civilized" humans are assholes, and now we've got global audiences for it!

stray 11y ago

Dolphins definitely delegitimize Beethoven. /s

betenoire 11y ago

> Dolphins are about as intelligent as us, too. Are dolphins amoral? Do they delegitimize Beethoven, Tesla, Gödel, Einstein, and da Vinci? If we invented dolphins, and they began to replace and displace us, then maybe? I don't think it is about the intelligence, but in how we use it of course. Dolphins don't really have any control of my life or those around me. That sounded a lot more paranoid than I meant, I actually agree with what I think you are saying

thaumasiotes 11y ago

> Dolphins are about as intelligent as us, too How are you making this comparison?

eru 11y ago
I think Bud wanted to make a different point. Ie that AI doesn't delegitimize us---whatever that even means. Dolphins were just an example. He could have used Neanderthals, or Aliens.