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As a European that's living further up north than most Americans: Sorry, but no! I don't want to get up totally in the night in the winter. And in summer I wan

As a European that's living further up north than most Americans: Sorry, but no! I don't want to get up totally in the night in the winter. And in summer I want to be able to use the long evenings with the sun still up instead of getting up too early. Except one, the cited effects are all about the switch from winter time to summer time.

gaur 11y ago
> I don't want to get up totally in the night in the winter. Since DST is not in effect during the winter, it's hard to see how this proposal will help or hurt you here.
- DrJokepu 11y ago
  Presumably because if the practice of DST ended, there would be an option to either make what previously was known as "standard" or "winter" time permanent again, or switch to "summer time" for good. The person you were replying to was discussing the drawbacks of each of these options.
BillinghamJ 11y ago
You could just adapt the time you do things to suit the time of year...
- imron 11y ago
  If you live alone and only do things by yourself, then sure.
  - BillinghamJ 11y ago
    And yet I have neither of those problems, but somehow still manage to regularly alter the times I do things to suit the current situation.
scrollaway 11y ago
If you're far north enough (which you would be, if you are "further north than most americans"), DST won't help. Sunrise in winter morning is several hours off. The entire day is distorted. Shifting things one hour is useless.
- legulere 11y ago
  Europe lies relatively far north: http://www.astro-tom.com/images/latitudes.gif http://www.astro-tom.com/images/latitudes.gif DST will help: Lastest sunrise in Munich is 8:04 in winter, earliest in summer is 5:13. That would be 4:13 without DST.
unfamiliar 11y ago
You realise that the sun isn't dictated by what time we say it is? If you don't think its reasonable to go to work at 8 during the winter then we should change what time work starts at.
- chmike 11y ago
  From a computer scientist perspective, I would love that we drop DST. But from the social perspective, this would simply shift the problem. You apparently consider the problem only from the student or employee point of view. What about shops or public office opening hours ? This would imply changing opening hours. See the problem?
  - justincormack 11y ago
    People open when there is business to do. Shops will adjust to changes in footfall. Reaching individuals needs scheduling, and support lines normally cover multiple timezones or 24/7 anyway
  - wtbob 11y ago
    > What about shops or public office opening hours ? This would imply changing opening hours. Growing up in a beach town, it was very common for businesses and churches to have summer and winter hours, despite the presence of DST.

gaur 11y ago

> I don't want to get up totally in the night in the winter. Since DST is not in effect during the winter, it's hard to see how this proposal will help or hurt you here.

DrJokepu 11y ago
Presumably because if the practice of DST ended, there would be an option to either make what previously was known as "standard" or "winter" time permanent again, or switch to "summer time" for good. The person you were replying to was discussing the drawbacks of each of these options.

BillinghamJ 11y ago

You could just adapt the time you do things to suit the time of year...

imron 11y ago
If you live alone and only do things by yourself, then sure.
- BillinghamJ 11y ago
  And yet I have neither of those problems, but somehow still manage to regularly alter the times I do things to suit the current situation.

scrollaway 11y ago

If you're far north enough (which you would be, if you are "further north than most americans"), DST won't help. Sunrise in winter morning is several hours off. The entire day is distorted. Shifting things one hour is useless.

legulere 11y ago
Europe lies relatively far north: http://www.astro-tom.com/images/latitudes.gif http://www.astro-tom.com/images/latitudes.gif DST will help: Lastest sunrise in Munich is 8:04 in winter, earliest in summer is 5:13. That would be 4:13 without DST.

unfamiliar 11y ago

You realise that the sun isn't dictated by what time we say it is? If you don't think its reasonable to go to work at 8 during the winter then we should change what time work starts at.

chmike 11y ago
From a computer scientist perspective, I would love that we drop DST. But from the social perspective, this would simply shift the problem. You apparently consider the problem only from the student or employee point of view. What about shops or public office opening hours ? This would imply changing opening hours. See the problem?
- justincormack 11y ago
  People open when there is business to do. Shops will adjust to changes in footfall. Reaching individuals needs scheduling, and support lines normally cover multiple timezones or 24/7 anyway
- wtbob 11y ago
  > What about shops or public office opening hours ? This would imply changing opening hours. Growing up in a beach town, it was very common for businesses and churches to have summer and winter hours, despite the presence of DST.