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For context, Ontario has no natural resources. We have always been an export economy. With globalization and automation, manufacturing is mostly gone, and it's

For context, Ontario has no natural resources. We have always been an export economy. With globalization and automation, manufacturing is mostly gone, and it's creating social problems. We have a fundamentally different view of the role of government here, we believe government should promote quality of life and happiness. Yes it is socialism and we don't apologize.

koder2016 11y ago
Basically productive people bribe unproductive to avoid crime. Even better idea is creating part-time paid charity work. This way egos are not harmed.
- sp332 11y ago
  I thought productive people paid for unproductive people's food and rent. You know, because otherwise they would be dead.
nickff 11y ago
Please do not profess to speak for all Ontarians, or all Canadians; you do not. There is no general 'we', there are a number of disparate groups with their own views and motives. The average voter is not even so complex as to have a self-consistent integrated worldview.[1] In addition, many of your fellow Ontarians disagree as to the cause of the province's malaise, and the potential solution(s). There are many areas without natural resources, which have still managed to do very well (economically) in recent times. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_the_Rational_Voter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_the_Rational_Voter
GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
Isn't Ontario full of logged forests and mines? Not to mention hydro power? (as documented here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjLBXb1kgMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjLBXb1kgMo)
- giarc 11y ago
  Also full of minerals (nickel, copper etc). I'm not sure how productive the mines are anymore but Ontario has areas names Nickel Belt, Copperclif, Nickel Centre.
stevehiehn 11y ago
Ya, turn down the condecending/arrogance dial a bit. First of all Ontario does have significant natural resources i.e logging/mining. Also I'm not sure if you've been in the country for the last decade but it's been under a conservative leadership and it's not exactly socialism. PS - I'm in favor of experimenting with baseincome and live in Ontario.
mig39 11y ago
"Ontario has no natural resources" Only if you think Ontario is the bit surrounding Toronto.
- sanswork 11y ago
  Even that bit has a lot of gravel deposits on the ORM.
JabavuAdams 11y ago
> For context, Ontario has no natural resources. Timber, minerals, hydro-electric power, Uranium? Are you being sarcastic?
gyardley 11y ago
I'm from Ontario and couldn't have more different opinions about the role of government in society. Perhaps a little less generalization? I'd happily agree that a small majority of voters in Ontario generally support a slightly higher level of taxation and social spending than is found in, say, the United States, while still periodically electing governments who run on austerity platforms and cut social spending aggressively. That, I think, is more accurate.

koder2016 11y ago

Basically productive people bribe unproductive to avoid crime. Even better idea is creating part-time paid charity work. This way egos are not harmed.

sp332 11y ago
I thought productive people paid for unproductive people's food and rent. You know, because otherwise they would be dead.

nickff 11y ago

Please do not profess to speak for all Ontarians, or all Canadians; you do not. There is no general 'we', there are a number of disparate groups with their own views and motives. The average voter is not even so complex as to have a self-consistent integrated worldview.[1] In addition, many of your fellow Ontarians disagree as to the cause of the province's malaise, and the potential solution(s). There are many areas without natural resources, which have still managed to do very well (economically) in recent times. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_the_Rational_Voter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_the_Rational_Voter

GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago

Isn't Ontario full of logged forests and mines? Not to mention hydro power? (as documented here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjLBXb1kgMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjLBXb1kgMo)

giarc 11y ago
Also full of minerals (nickel, copper etc). I'm not sure how productive the mines are anymore but Ontario has areas names Nickel Belt, Copperclif, Nickel Centre.

stevehiehn 11y ago

Ya, turn down the condecending/arrogance dial a bit. First of all Ontario does have significant natural resources i.e logging/mining. Also I'm not sure if you've been in the country for the last decade but it's been under a conservative leadership and it's not exactly socialism. PS - I'm in favor of experimenting with baseincome and live in Ontario.

mig39 11y ago

"Ontario has no natural resources" Only if you think Ontario is the bit surrounding Toronto.

sanswork 11y ago
Even that bit has a lot of gravel deposits on the ORM.

JabavuAdams 11y ago

> For context, Ontario has no natural resources. Timber, minerals, hydro-electric power, Uranium? Are you being sarcastic?

gyardley 11y ago

I'm from Ontario and couldn't have more different opinions about the role of government in society. Perhaps a little less generalization? I'd happily agree that a small majority of voters in Ontario generally support a slightly higher level of taxation and social spending than is found in, say, the United States, while still periodically electing governments who run on austerity platforms and cut social spending aggressively. That, I think, is more accurate.