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> The majority of the time, encryption is used for legal, positive reasons, like protecting your bank info or medical info. Guns, on the other hand, there's no

by wtbob 11y ago

> The majority of the time, encryption is used for legal, positive reasons, like protecting your bank info or medical info. Guns, on the other hand, there's no argument for Ummm, the vast, vast majority of the guns in the U.S. are used for legal, positive reasons like target shooting or self-defense. The number of murders per gun-year is incredibly low, effectively infinitesimal.

nommm-nommm 11y ago
Focusing on murders really misses the point. Or rather misses the full picture. Something we rarely talk about but is the biggest gun problem in the US. 60ish percent of deaths by firearms are suicide. Owning a firearm is a risk factor for suicide. This is because many (most?) suicides are not carefully planned out and given considerable deliberation but are somewhat impulsive. Removing an easy means to commit suicide actually reduces suicide. I'm neither pro or anti gun.
- fnordfnordfnord 11y ago
  I'm very very opposed to a government which uses sticks as a means to prevent suicide. (criminalizing [gun, suicide implement] ownership)
  - nommm-nommm 11y ago
    Where did I say I wanted the government to criminalize gun ownership to prevent suicide? I didn't. I specifically said I don't have an opinion on the matter. I just said we shouldn't focus on murders being the biggest problem because they aren't, suicide is.
devishard 11y ago
When a gun fires at a human, it is a suicide or a murder more often than it is self defense. Ultimately, though, I do agree that these numbers are all negligible: there are more car deaths annually than there have been civilian gun deaths in the last ten years. The argument that is important to me is that gun rights simply aren't very relevant any more, and they are being used as a talking point for political forces who are causing a lot of harm to much more relevant rights.

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> The majority of the time, encryption is used for legal, positive reasons, like protecting your bank info or medical info. Guns, on the other hand, there's no

by wtbob 11y ago

nommm-nommm 11y ago
Focusing on murders really misses the point. Or rather misses the full picture. Something we rarely talk about but is the biggest gun problem in the US. 60ish percent of deaths by firearms are suicide. Owning a firearm is a risk factor for suicide. This is because many (most?) suicides are not carefully planned out and given considerable deliberation but are somewhat impulsive. Removing an easy means to commit suicide actually reduces suicide. I'm neither pro or anti gun.
- fnordfnordfnord 11y ago
  I'm very very opposed to a government which uses sticks as a means to prevent suicide. (criminalizing [gun, suicide implement] ownership)
  - nommm-nommm 11y ago
    Where did I say I wanted the government to criminalize gun ownership to prevent suicide? I didn't. I specifically said I don't have an opinion on the matter. I just said we shouldn't focus on murders being the biggest problem because they aren't, suicide is.
devishard 11y ago
When a gun fires at a human, it is a suicide or a murder more often than it is self defense. Ultimately, though, I do agree that these numbers are all negligible: there are more car deaths annually than there have been civilian gun deaths in the last ten years. The argument that is important to me is that gun rights simply aren't very relevant any more, and they are being used as a talking point for political forces who are causing a lot of harm to much more relevant rights.