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I wonder if even the idea from the AGA stream today, to get all the best pros in the world together and challenge AlphaGo as a team, is enough. Has this been t

by nkurz 11y ago

I wonder if even the idea from the AGA stream today, to get all the best pros in the world together and challenge AlphaGo as a team, is enough. Has this been tried? That is, have Players 2-9 (or some subset) ever competed as a group against a dominant Player 1? Unless it's been tested, I wouldn't take it for granted that a group would beat an individual.

abecedarius 11y ago
I wouldn't know, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasparov_versus_the_World https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasparov_versus_the_World happened in chess. > He later said, "It is the greatest game in the history of chess. The sheer number of ideas, the complexity, and the contribution it has made to chess make it the most important game ever played."
Radim 11y ago
Sure. Check out the "game of the century". There Go Seigen, the genius who brought about the Go revolution that Redmond talked about at post-game conf today, was beaten by Honinbou Shusai + his students. Also, "lesser" pros routinely call out mistakes in master games (and the masters agree). Games are often decided by easily avoidable mistakes, even at the highest level.
fma 11y ago
Too many chiefs in a village. Can you imagine trying to explain why this move is correct because "20 moves in the future" it proves to be right. It would probably take an hour per move. Also I mentioned in a previous post...the human style of playing go needs to adapt to AlphaGo. That's why the commentators say "oh that was odd" since a human would not make that move as its unorthodox, but turns out to be right. If the top 1-10 had a chance to play AlphaGo privately for months they may have a better chance.
- iopq 11y ago
  It works somewhat well in con-go.net, even if I disagree with a lot of the move ordering as of late. But I am on the white team and we're winning, so I guess the black team made more mistakes.
RobAtticus 11y ago
Not really 1 vs 2-9, but a billionaire named Andy Beal liked to go to Vegas and play poker pros in really high stakes (to get them out of their comfort zone). It was him vs "The Corporation". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Beal#Poker_playing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Beal#Poker_playing

by nkurz 11y ago

abecedarius 11y ago

I wouldn't know, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasparov_versus_the_World https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasparov_versus_the_World happened in chess. > He later said, "It is the greatest game in the history of chess. The sheer number of ideas, the complexity, and the contribution it has made to chess make it the most important game ever played."

Radim 11y ago

Sure. Check out the "game of the century". There Go Seigen, the genius who brought about the Go revolution that Redmond talked about at post-game conf today, was beaten by Honinbou Shusai + his students. Also, "lesser" pros routinely call out mistakes in master games (and the masters agree). Games are often decided by easily avoidable mistakes, even at the highest level.

fma 11y ago

Too many chiefs in a village. Can you imagine trying to explain why this move is correct because "20 moves in the future" it proves to be right. It would probably take an hour per move. Also I mentioned in a previous post...the human style of playing go needs to adapt to AlphaGo. That's why the commentators say "oh that was odd" since a human would not make that move as its unorthodox, but turns out to be right. If the top 1-10 had a chance to play AlphaGo privately for months they may have a better chance.

iopq 11y ago
It works somewhat well in con-go.net, even if I disagree with a lot of the move ordering as of late. But I am on the white team and we're winning, so I guess the black team made more mistakes.

RobAtticus 11y ago

Not really 1 vs 2-9, but a billionaire named Andy Beal liked to go to Vegas and play poker pros in really high stakes (to get them out of their comfort zone). It was him vs "The Corporation". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Beal#Poker_playing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Beal#Poker_playing