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Pigs are meant to be kept as farm animals. They were selectively domesticated. Same with chickens, sheep, cows etc. Problem with Orcas is that they are not use

by funkyy 11y ago

Pigs are meant to be kept as farm animals. They were selectively domesticated. Same with chickens, sheep, cows etc. Problem with Orcas is that they are not use to live in captivity. They were just caught in the sea and forced to do tricks. Its same with large wild cats - they have been not selectively chosen over decades to join the human society.

rosser 11y ago
Nothing is "meant" to be kept as a farm animal. The choices we've made about which animals we keep as livestock, which we keep as pets, and which we keep in zoos (or, per TFA, only slightly oversized swimming pools) are in absolutely no way derived from some sort of teleological mandate.
- vacri 11y ago
  > Nothing is "meant" to be kept as a farm animal. Modern sheep are. If they're not sheared regularly and their fleece is allowed to grow, they end up suffering quite a lot - they are not suitable for living in the wild, and in the other direction, are also not particularly suitable as pets. Yes, nature is not a thing with intentions, but modern sheep are a combination of natural processes and humans (who do have intentions) meddling with things.
rubber_duck 11y ago
While I agree with you I feel like that's a technical problem - if you want to argue from that position it should be a question of "how do we keep them in captivity efficiently/safely" both for them and humans rather than "should we keep them" and phrasing it as a moral question. Also the article's point and general theme seems kind of weak : >In line with this, several decades of observation show that orcas are not naturally violent towards humans. There are no recorded cases of a wild orca killing a human. This implies (and the surrounding text) - that this behavior is a result of captivity changing their behavior. How often do orcas and humans meet in a setting that would allow them to harm a human in a similar way they would - say a penguin ? Would it be plausible that they would do a similar thing in the wild in a similar setting given enough opportunities (since trainers interact with them constantly) ?
maxxxxx 11y ago
Pigs are not used to the conditions they have to live under in factory farms. Their life is pure hell from birth to death. It's not like dogs who have evolved to live with humans and are generally treated well.
worldsoup 11y ago
"meant to" might not be the best term, but it's true that pigs are domesticated animals, meaning they've been selectively bred to benefit humans and to have a predisposition towards us. the same can definitely not be said about orcas

by funkyy 11y ago

rosser 11y ago

Nothing is "meant" to be kept as a farm animal. The choices we've made about which animals we keep as livestock, which we keep as pets, and which we keep in zoos (or, per TFA, only slightly oversized swimming pools) are in absolutely no way derived from some sort of teleological mandate.

vacri 11y ago
> Nothing is "meant" to be kept as a farm animal. Modern sheep are. If they're not sheared regularly and their fleece is allowed to grow, they end up suffering quite a lot - they are not suitable for living in the wild, and in the other direction, are also not particularly suitable as pets. Yes, nature is not a thing with intentions, but modern sheep are a combination of natural processes and humans (who do have intentions) meddling with things.

rubber_duck 11y ago

While I agree with you I feel like that's a technical problem - if you want to argue from that position it should be a question of "how do we keep them in captivity efficiently/safely" both for them and humans rather than "should we keep them" and phrasing it as a moral question. Also the article's point and general theme seems kind of weak : >In line with this, several decades of observation show that orcas are not naturally violent towards humans. There are no recorded cases of a wild orca killing a human. This implies (and the surrounding text) - that this behavior is a result of captivity changing their behavior. How often do orcas and humans meet in a setting that would allow them to harm a human in a similar way they would - say a penguin ? Would it be plausible that they would do a similar thing in the wild in a similar setting given enough opportunities (since trainers interact with them constantly) ?

maxxxxx 11y ago

Pigs are not used to the conditions they have to live under in factory farms. Their life is pure hell from birth to death. It's not like dogs who have evolved to live with humans and are generally treated well.

worldsoup 11y ago

"meant to" might not be the best term, but it's true that pigs are domesticated animals, meaning they've been selectively bred to benefit humans and to have a predisposition towards us. the same can definitely not be said about orcas