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You make a sensible point against this particular bill. I just can't understand why any resemblance of a limitation of the privacy over electronic communicatio

by pif 11y ago

You make a sensible point against this particular bill. I just can't understand why any resemblance of a limitation of the privacy over electronic communication is greeted with such outrage. I do understand that encryption can be either controllable XOR secure. But my point is that secure encryption has never been a right: actually, the discussion has just started, due to the recent spread of its usage. Again, telephone and (thanks for reminding) courier have always been controllable, thus not secure. Deciding whether a non-controllable medium of remote communication should exist, and who may use it, is a social and political question (like, for example, cloning: it is technically possible, but drastically controlled by laws). I understand it's quite natural for us HN-ers to stand on one side, but the world is bigger that HN.

pjc50 11y ago
the discussion has just started I'm afraid it's been going on for decades: https://www.epic.org/crypto/clipper/ https://www.epic.org/crypto/clipper/ And that's partly why the mistrust exists. Law enforcement agencies are not given the benefit of the doubt on this because of previous abuses. There's a history here which is too long to #include every time the subject comes up. Deciding whether a non-controllable medium of remote communication should exist, and who may use it, is a social and political question "Controllable" is a word shift from "secret", and that's what the US 1st Amendment guarantees: the existence of non-controllable means of remote communication. After all, one of the founding heroes of the US was a ""terrorist"" who brought messages to the other members of his anti-government cell. The UK situation is much worse, and a full discussion would have to involve the abuses of the last generation of antiterrorist police and military action in Northern Ireland.

by pif 11y ago

pjc50 11y ago

the discussion has just started I'm afraid it's been going on for decades: https://www.epic.org/crypto/clipper/ https://www.epic.org/crypto/clipper/ And that's partly why the mistrust exists. Law enforcement agencies are not given the benefit of the doubt on this because of previous abuses. There's a history here which is too long to #include every time the subject comes up. Deciding whether a non-controllable medium of remote communication should exist, and who may use it, is a social and political question "Controllable" is a word shift from "secret", and that's what the US 1st Amendment guarantees: the existence of non-controllable means of remote communication. After all, one of the founding heroes of the US was a ""terrorist"" who brought messages to the other members of his anti-government cell. The UK situation is much worse, and a full discussion would have to involve the abuses of the last generation of antiterrorist police and military action in Northern Ireland.