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It feels like the FBI has been caught with their hand in the cookie jar. They have at least one judge saying they have overreached, a House of Representatives h

It feels like the FBI has been caught with their hand in the cookie jar. They have at least one judge saying they have overreached, a House of Representatives hearing where the head of the FBI got dressed down, and a hearing on the 22nd with a ton of support for Apple from tech companies and other researchers. It feels like a desperate attempt to salvage a losing battle.

arca_vorago 11y ago
Do you have a link to the hearing by chance?
- drakenot 11y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1GgnbN9oNw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1GgnbN9oNw
zepto 11y ago
I hope you are right.
dbsujwkkdb 11y ago
Remember this thought, because in two or three years, the government will try this again, and they will continue to try until they succeed. America is ruled by an unaccountable and corrupt elite.
- norea-armozel 11y ago
  That's why we have to build both social and technical institutions to push back. Because the alternative is outright civil war. I'm not sure that such a civil war will lead to any good ends.
  - x1024 11y ago
    Sure. Just like we did with SOPA. Wait...
- snowwrestler 11y ago
  God I'm sick of reading stuff like this. The truth is that a large number of Americans believe that the FBI should have access through consumer encryption. Agree or disagree, but the existence of that public sentiment is a fact easily observable in public polling. Security vs. freedom is a tradeoff. Different people have different opinions of what makes an acceptable trade. The role of representative government is to adjudicate between differing opinions. That is why this is still an issue, and will continue to be an issue for the foreseeable future--not because there is some secret cabal who is working counter to the wishes of all Americans.
  - duaneb 11y ago
    > The truth is that a large number of Americans believe that the FBI should have access through consumer encryption. This is not a democracy, this is a republic. We should hold our elected (and appointed) officials to higher standards than we hold our voters. Just because our public is uneducated does not excuse the elected government taking advantage of an uneducated public to seize powers they did not have before.
    - snowwrestler 11y ago
      > This is not a democracy, this is a republic. I'm sick of reading this too. We have a representative democracy in the U.S. We also have a republic. The two terms are not contradictory. "Representative democracy" tells you how decisions are made--we select a few citizens to make decisions on our behalf. "Republic" tells you who is sovereign--in the U.S. the individual citizens have the right and power to rule, and have used that to construct our own government. Counter examples: The U.K. is a representative democracy, but not a republic. It's a monarchy. North Korea is a republic but it's not a democracy. It's an autocracy.
      - duaneb 11y ago
        Just because you call something a democracy doesn't mean it is so. If something is a republic, you can call it a representative democracy analogously, but not literally. Just like a zebra is a striped horse but not, you know, a horse. Can you address anything I wrote that had substance?

arca_vorago 11y ago

Do you have a link to the hearing by chance?

drakenot 11y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1GgnbN9oNw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1GgnbN9oNw

zepto 11y ago

I hope you are right.

dbsujwkkdb 11y ago

Remember this thought, because in two or three years, the government will try this again, and they will continue to try until they succeed. America is ruled by an unaccountable and corrupt elite.

norea-armozel 11y ago
That's why we have to build both social and technical institutions to push back. Because the alternative is outright civil war. I'm not sure that such a civil war will lead to any good ends.
- x1024 11y ago
  Sure. Just like we did with SOPA. Wait...
snowwrestler 11y ago
God I'm sick of reading stuff like this. The truth is that a large number of Americans believe that the FBI should have access through consumer encryption. Agree or disagree, but the existence of that public sentiment is a fact easily observable in public polling. Security vs. freedom is a tradeoff. Different people have different opinions of what makes an acceptable trade. The role of representative government is to adjudicate between differing opinions. That is why this is still an issue, and will continue to be an issue for the foreseeable future--not because there is some secret cabal who is working counter to the wishes of all Americans.
- duaneb 11y ago
  > The truth is that a large number of Americans believe that the FBI should have access through consumer encryption. This is not a democracy, this is a republic. We should hold our elected (and appointed) officials to higher standards than we hold our voters. Just because our public is uneducated does not excuse the elected government taking advantage of an uneducated public to seize powers they did not have before.
  - snowwrestler 11y ago
    > This is not a democracy, this is a republic. I'm sick of reading this too. We have a representative democracy in the U.S. We also have a republic. The two terms are not contradictory. "Representative democracy" tells you how decisions are made--we select a few citizens to make decisions on our behalf. "Republic" tells you who is sovereign--in the U.S. the individual citizens have the right and power to rule, and have used that to construct our own government. Counter examples: The U.K. is a representative democracy, but not a republic. It's a monarchy. North Korea is a republic but it's not a democracy. It's an autocracy.
    - duaneb 11y ago
      Just because you call something a democracy doesn't mean it is so. If something is a republic, you can call it a representative democracy analogously, but not literally. Just like a zebra is a striped horse but not, you know, a horse. Can you address anything I wrote that had substance?