Framework useful, no doubt, but , I saw so many programmer cannot even design things without thinking about which framework they are going to use – frameworks k

Framework useful, no doubt, but , I saw so many programmer cannot even design things without thinking about which framework they are going to use – frameworks kidnap these people ability to become a real programmer. I can show you an example right away, Ruby on Rails. I know someone they even cannot design REST APIs without thinking about ActiveRecord, what a shame! Don't get me wrong, frameworks is still good way to build things, but as a legit programmer, you need to own the ability to solve the same problems even without them.