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Agreed, I did concurrent enrollment and by the age of 16 was taking half a day of University courses and half a day of secondary courses. However, this is quit

Agreed, I did concurrent enrollment and by the age of 16 was taking half a day of University courses and half a day of secondary courses. However, this is quite a bit different. Will any out of state University seriously consider a college application without 12 grades of experience? This is tremendously short-sighted. There are some rabid conservative Republicans that believe all public education should be removed and replaced with private education. This is just taking advantage of a budget shortfall to accelerate that process. Would you trust private corporations to school your children? I'm sure nothing could possibly go wrong...

georgecmu 17y ago
> Will any out of state University seriously consider a > college application without 12 grades of experience? I only have anecdotal evidence that they would ;) I had 9 grades of experience total (skipped first two grades as well), didn't have stellar SAT scores or high school grades, did a half-ass job on the applications, and yet I got about 40% acceptance rate at pretty good schools. I got rejections from Harvard, MIT and Caltech, but I doubt my age or lack of experience was the main factor in their decision. A friend of mine from the same high school did pretty much the same thing a year later and was told by MIT (or was it Caltech?) that they're not accepting him only because he's graduating early. He ended up going to the same university as me. > Would you trust private corporations to school your > children? I'm sure nothing could possibly go wrong... Private schools are pretty popular in this country.
yummyfajitas 17y ago
Will any out of state University seriously consider a college application without 12 grades of experience? If an entire state does this, I doubt very many universities would categorically reject applicants from that state. Perhaps the real problem is universities (and others) counting years in school rather than education delivered. The output is hard to measure (and besides, everyone complains about tests), so lets focus exclusively on the input?
dagw 17y ago
Certainly here in Sweden there are several high school run by private for profit companies. On the whole they seem to be doing OK, some are top of the league, some are so bad the government has to threaten to close them down, but most are perfectly average. Pretty much just like the state run schools. At the end of the day choice is good. If a high school student has 8 different schools he can go to then those school will work hard to up their game and try to attract that student (since students=money)
- illumin8 17y ago
  I agree, having a choice of private schools is nice, however, what about when their is no public school option? That, I think, would be bad, because it would leave corporate sponsorship to provide school for the "least common denominator." Can you imagine if a school was sponsored by Archer Daniels Midland or Monsanto, for free, with the understanding that students would be experimented on with new GMO products served in their lunches? I expect some corporations would also like to have the option to impress upon young students at an early age the importance of using their products through advertising. Should we allow our schools to become giant Adsense experiments?
- enjo 17y ago
  It's the same thing here. We have a large number of private schools. Some are based in religion, others are quite secular. These secular private schools tend to offer a more rigorous education (although that does not seem to necessarily reflect actual achievement).
  - RiderOfGiraffes 17y ago
    Define "here".
- deleted 17y ago
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tokenadult 17y ago
Will any out of state University seriously consider a college application without 12 grades of experience? Ask a factual question, get a factual answer. Harvard has always explicitly said that a high school diploma is NOT required for admission (item C3 on the Common Data Set, with the same fact reported in various other Harvard publications), http://www.provost.harvard.edu/institutional_research/Provost_-_CDS2008_2009_Harvard_for_Web_Clean.pdf http://www.provost.harvard.edu/institutional_research/Provos... and Harvard admits sixteen-year-olds every year (some of whom from recent years I have met). Many of the other most selective private universities are explicit about the same policy and provide examples of admitting students younger than the typical high-school-leaving age in the United States. As long as the student is good and ready, and some students become good and ready despite K-12 school rather than because of it, the students can be admitted. Homeschoolers have been getting into great colleges http://learninfreedom.org/colleges_4_hmsc.html http://learninfreedom.org/colleges_4_hmsc.html for a long time. AFTER EDIT: I should, of course, acknowledge that a desire for money and power can shape policy in these matters. And I will give an example from my own community. My state has had for more than twenty years a Post-Secondary Enrollment Options (PSEO) program, http://www.ohe.state.mn.us/mPg.cfm?pageID=797 http://www.ohe.state.mn.us/mPg.cfm?pageID=797 the first statewide program of its kind in the United States, and my son's "eleventh grade" and "twelfth grade" curriculum consisted largely of courses taken at our state's flagship university. As I type this, he has applications in process at several out of state universities, having already been admitted to two of those (and also the state flagship university) before the turn of the year. A decade ago, my local public school district predicted that its enrollment in the district's sole high school would increase so much that the high school building would have to be rebuilt, at great expense. During public meetings about that proposal, I asked if the district had done an analysis to see if providing incentives for students to sign up for PSEO classes at various nearby local colleges would be more or less expensive than rebuilding the high school building. The school district officials said, just as the Utah school officials quoted in the submitted article said, that students shouldn't be pushed out of high school. But if students are still in a learning environment, and taxpayers save money by having students study where they are most challenged and engaged, what is the problem? Oh, the school district doubtless noticed that state funding of education follows the student (it does so in Minnesota perhaps more equally than in any other state, by a reform from the 1970s called the "Minnesota Miracle"), so if students are studying elsewhere, the district's empire shrinks. A decade later, we look back on history. The first proposal to rebuild the district high school, including HUGE expenditures for "technology" (probably old-fashioned LAN cables and other things that didn't make sense to any taxpayer with technical employment) was defeated by a voter referendum. A new-and-improved, still quite expensive, subsequent rebuilding project was approved, and all of us here are still paying the increased taxes incurred by that project. But the predicted increase in local public high school enrollment never happened to the degree predicted--instead several privately operated schools in our area report booming enrollments, and have had to expand their buildings. Having dollars follow students is a wonderful idea. Locking in dollars for bureaucracies is not good value for taxpayers.

georgecmu 17y ago

> Will any out of state University seriously consider a > college application without 12 grades of experience? I only have anecdotal evidence that they would ;) I had 9 grades of experience total (skipped first two grades as well), didn't have stellar SAT scores or high school grades, did a half-ass job on the applications, and yet I got about 40% acceptance rate at pretty good schools. I got rejections from Harvard, MIT and Caltech, but I doubt my age or lack of experience was the main factor in their decision. A friend of mine from the same high school did pretty much the same thing a year later and was told by MIT (or was it Caltech?) that they're not accepting him only because he's graduating early. He ended up going to the same university as me. > Would you trust private corporations to school your > children? I'm sure nothing could possibly go wrong... Private schools are pretty popular in this country.

yummyfajitas 17y ago

Will any out of state University seriously consider a college application without 12 grades of experience? If an entire state does this, I doubt very many universities would categorically reject applicants from that state. Perhaps the real problem is universities (and others) counting years in school rather than education delivered. The output is hard to measure (and besides, everyone complains about tests), so lets focus exclusively on the input?

dagw 17y ago

Certainly here in Sweden there are several high school run by private for profit companies. On the whole they seem to be doing OK, some are top of the league, some are so bad the government has to threaten to close them down, but most are perfectly average. Pretty much just like the state run schools. At the end of the day choice is good. If a high school student has 8 different schools he can go to then those school will work hard to up their game and try to attract that student (since students=money)

illumin8 17y ago
I agree, having a choice of private schools is nice, however, what about when their is no public school option? That, I think, would be bad, because it would leave corporate sponsorship to provide school for the "least common denominator." Can you imagine if a school was sponsored by Archer Daniels Midland or Monsanto, for free, with the understanding that students would be experimented on with new GMO products served in their lunches? I expect some corporations would also like to have the option to impress upon young students at an early age the importance of using their products through advertising. Should we allow our schools to become giant Adsense experiments?
enjo 17y ago
It's the same thing here. We have a large number of private schools. Some are based in religion, others are quite secular. These secular private schools tend to offer a more rigorous education (although that does not seem to necessarily reflect actual achievement).
- RiderOfGiraffes 17y ago
  Define "here".
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tokenadult 17y ago

Will any out of state University seriously consider a college application without 12 grades of experience? Ask a factual question, get a factual answer. Harvard has always explicitly said that a high school diploma is NOT required for admission (item C3 on the Common Data Set, with the same fact reported in various other Harvard publications), http://www.provost.harvard.edu/institutional_research/Provost_-_CDS2008_2009_Harvard_for_Web_Clean.pdf http://www.provost.harvard.edu/institutional_research/Provos... and Harvard admits sixteen-year-olds every year (some of whom from recent years I have met). Many of the other most selective private universities are explicit about the same policy and provide examples of admitting students younger than the typical high-school-leaving age in the United States. As long as the student is good and ready, and some students become good and ready despite K-12 school rather than because of it, the students can be admitted. Homeschoolers have been getting into great colleges http://learninfreedom.org/colleges_4_hmsc.html http://learninfreedom.org/colleges_4_hmsc.html for a long time. AFTER EDIT: I should, of course, acknowledge that a desire for money and power can shape policy in these matters. And I will give an example from my own community. My state has had for more than twenty years a Post-Secondary Enrollment Options (PSEO) program, http://www.ohe.state.mn.us/mPg.cfm?pageID=797 http://www.ohe.state.mn.us/mPg.cfm?pageID=797 the first statewide program of its kind in the United States, and my son's "eleventh grade" and "twelfth grade" curriculum consisted largely of courses taken at our state's flagship university. As I type this, he has applications in process at several out of state universities, having already been admitted to two of those (and also the state flagship university) before the turn of the year. A decade ago, my local public school district predicted that its enrollment in the district's sole high school would increase so much that the high school building would have to be rebuilt, at great expense. During public meetings about that proposal, I asked if the district had done an analysis to see if providing incentives for students to sign up for PSEO classes at various nearby local colleges would be more or less expensive than rebuilding the high school building. The school district officials said, just as the Utah school officials quoted in the submitted article said, that students shouldn't be pushed out of high school. But if students are still in a learning environment, and taxpayers save money by having students study where they are most challenged and engaged, what is the problem? Oh, the school district doubtless noticed that state funding of education follows the student (it does so in Minnesota perhaps more equally than in any other state, by a reform from the 1970s called the "Minnesota Miracle"), so if students are studying elsewhere, the district's empire shrinks. A decade later, we look back on history. The first proposal to rebuild the district high school, including HUGE expenditures for "technology" (probably old-fashioned LAN cables and other things that didn't make sense to any taxpayer with technical employment) was defeated by a voter referendum. A new-and-improved, still quite expensive, subsequent rebuilding project was approved, and all of us here are still paying the increased taxes incurred by that project. But the predicted increase in local public high school enrollment never happened to the degree predicted--instead several privately operated schools in our area report booming enrollments, and have had to expand their buildings. Having dollars follow students is a wonderful idea. Locking in dollars for bureaucracies is not good value for taxpayers.