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Hey I am sorry if you are impacted by downsizing, but there are better ways of handling this than disparaging the tech community in India. I have worked in both

Hey I am sorry if you are impacted by downsizing, but there are better ways of handling this than disparaging the tech community in India. I have worked in both US and India for more than one company and can tell you there is no discernible difference in the quality of the work that gets done between US and India. And even if I take your point that IBM are fools who doesn't know what they are doing, how to you explain Amazon, Microsoft and Google hiring thousands of developers in India. Microsoft's largest developer shop outside US is in India. Your experience can be due to a variety of different things from person at the other end doing exactly what he is supposed to do just to not poke holes in a secure infra to assuming that the firewall access list is state-full and allows return (HTTP response) traffic to pass by default. And there is no guarantee that a person based in US won't do the same thing.

hguant 11y ago
RE 'no discernible difference in quality': there's a fair amount of literature, both anecdotal and factual, that says otherwise. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703515504576142092863219826 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527487035155045761420... http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/10/behind-the-bad-indian-coder/280636/ http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/10/beh... http://www.rozinskiy.com/why-india-outsourcing-is-doomed/ http://www.rozinskiy.com/why-india-outsourcing-is-doomed/ Those are from the top of the fold of the Google search "quality of Indian tech workers."
- padiyar83 11y ago
  There are bad coders everywhere and it takes years of deliberate practice to be good at anything, including programming. Those people who did not put in the work, don't make it through grueling interviews at Microsoft, Amazon, Google and other such companies. People who do make it however are just as good as programmers anywhere else in the world.
slantedview 11y ago
The difference is in motivation. What motivated me to go into tech is that I liked it. What motivated many of my Indian colleagues over the years to go into tech was, by their own admission, societal pressure. Which one do you think produces better outcomes? This is the case regardless of the occupation, lawyer, plumber, programmer or teacher - if you're passionate, chances are you're better at what you do than someone who isn't.

hguant 11y ago

RE 'no discernible difference in quality': there's a fair amount of literature, both anecdotal and factual, that says otherwise. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703515504576142092863219826 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527487035155045761420... http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/10/behind-the-bad-indian-coder/280636/ http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/10/beh... http://www.rozinskiy.com/why-india-outsourcing-is-doomed/ http://www.rozinskiy.com/why-india-outsourcing-is-doomed/ Those are from the top of the fold of the Google search "quality of Indian tech workers."

padiyar83 11y ago
There are bad coders everywhere and it takes years of deliberate practice to be good at anything, including programming. Those people who did not put in the work, don't make it through grueling interviews at Microsoft, Amazon, Google and other such companies. People who do make it however are just as good as programmers anywhere else in the world.

slantedview 11y ago

The difference is in motivation. What motivated me to go into tech is that I liked it. What motivated many of my Indian colleagues over the years to go into tech was, by their own admission, societal pressure. Which one do you think produces better outcomes? This is the case regardless of the occupation, lawyer, plumber, programmer or teacher - if you're passionate, chances are you're better at what you do than someone who isn't.