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>Gym - people outsource their Gym attendance to "the experts", Personal Trainers. Um, what? Your personal trainer doesn't go to the gym in your stead, they adv

>Gym - people outsource their Gym attendance to "the experts", Personal Trainers. Um, what? Your personal trainer doesn't go to the gym in your stead, they advise on how best to use your time there.

azdle 11y ago
In this case it's more about where you get the knowledge. To parallel the motherhood example FTA: > She does what she does not because she is going to be paid for her services and not because she is the most highly skilled, but because she wants to do it. And she does “the things worth doing,” which are the things closest and most sacred to all of humanity – nurturing a baby, teaching a child the first things, and, in fact, all things. You're not doing the exercises that are being chosen by the expert who is telling you what to do because you're paying them, you're doing the exercises you want to do purely out of self-interest.
linhchi 11y ago
But the fact that having a personal trainer improves things a lot. For example having a psychologist. She doesn't do anything, she just makes comments.
- afshin 11y ago
  Prosecutors and defense attorneys also don't "do anything" except just "make comments". For that matter, neither do presidents or professors.
xerophyte12932 11y ago
I think he meant "you shouldn't skip gym just because you don't have a trainer. Gym is worth doing, so it's even worth doing badly (without a trainer)"
- drewrv 11y ago
  I agree with this idea but if you work out badly enough you can seriously injure yourself.
  - iLoch 11y ago
    You're probably over analyzing this. I don't need someone to tell me how to run if I want to go for a run, regardless of my experience level. But sure, having a personal trainer is important for certain types of workouts.
    - thenomad 11y ago
      I agree for a one-off. But plenty of people have permanently damaged their knees by consistently running without getting advice on how best to do it. You don't need a personal trainer for that. But asking someone "to tell me how to run" ain't a bad idea, even if it's a question on a running board on the Internet.
      - pingswept 11y ago
        "But plenty of people have permanently damaged their knees by consistently running without getting advice on how best to do it." The people who read running boards all the time roll their eyes at stuff like this. Saying that running will hurt your knees is the running equivalent of "The GPL will infect your codebase." It's not true, but it sounds scary. Usually, if you ask runners how to run, they will say something like, "It's not that complicated. Run more miles, slowly." For example: https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/wi8zq/want_an_easy_way_to_drop_that/ https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/wi8zq/want_an_easy...
        thenomad 11y ago
        Interesting - thanks! OTOH, "Runner's Knee" does seem to be a serious condition affecting a lot of people (much like "Fencer's Knee", which I'm more familiar with). From the same subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/3hx43k/how_i_cured_my_runners_knee/ https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/3hx43k/how_i_cured... https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/26jaax/3_years_ago_i_blew_out_my_knee_in_a_marathon/ https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/26jaax/3_years_ago... https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/1gdw5l/can_i_fix_my_runners_knee/ https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/1gdw5l/can_i_fix_m... And a number of people, when discussing the problem, reference bad technique as a causative factor. However, you're absolutely right that it seems there's little evidence for permanent damage. I found this thread particularly interesting: https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/1fehx2/wife_trying_to_convince_me_running_will_ruin_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/1fehx2/wife_trying...
abandonliberty 11y ago
Perhaps this is more about surrendering responsibility/ownership to others. I have seen many people give that up upon getting a trainer. Suddenly they only exercise at trainer appointments.

>Gym - people outsource their Gym attendance to "the experts", Personal Trainers. Um, what? Your personal trainer doesn't go to the gym in your stead, they advise on how best to use your time there.

azdle 11y ago

In this case it's more about where you get the knowledge. To parallel the motherhood example FTA: > She does what she does not because she is going to be paid for her services and not because she is the most highly skilled, but because she wants to do it. And she does “the things worth doing,” which are the things closest and most sacred to all of humanity – nurturing a baby, teaching a child the first things, and, in fact, all things. You're not doing the exercises that are being chosen by the expert who is telling you what to do because you're paying them, you're doing the exercises you want to do purely out of self-interest.

linhchi 11y ago

But the fact that having a personal trainer improves things a lot. For example having a psychologist. She doesn't do anything, she just makes comments.

afshin 11y ago
Prosecutors and defense attorneys also don't "do anything" except just "make comments". For that matter, neither do presidents or professors.

xerophyte12932 11y ago

I think he meant "you shouldn't skip gym just because you don't have a trainer. Gym is worth doing, so it's even worth doing badly (without a trainer)"

drewrv 11y ago
I agree with this idea but if you work out badly enough you can seriously injure yourself.
- iLoch 11y ago
  You're probably over analyzing this. I don't need someone to tell me how to run if I want to go for a run, regardless of my experience level. But sure, having a personal trainer is important for certain types of workouts.
  - thenomad 11y ago
    I agree for a one-off. But plenty of people have permanently damaged their knees by consistently running without getting advice on how best to do it. You don't need a personal trainer for that. But asking someone "to tell me how to run" ain't a bad idea, even if it's a question on a running board on the Internet.
    - pingswept 11y ago
      "But plenty of people have permanently damaged their knees by consistently running without getting advice on how best to do it." The people who read running boards all the time roll their eyes at stuff like this. Saying that running will hurt your knees is the running equivalent of "The GPL will infect your codebase." It's not true, but it sounds scary. Usually, if you ask runners how to run, they will say something like, "It's not that complicated. Run more miles, slowly." For example: https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/wi8zq/want_an_easy_way_to_drop_that/ https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/wi8zq/want_an_easy...
      - thenomad 11y ago
        Interesting - thanks! OTOH, "Runner's Knee" does seem to be a serious condition affecting a lot of people (much like "Fencer's Knee", which I'm more familiar with). From the same subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/3hx43k/how_i_cured_my_runners_knee/ https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/3hx43k/how_i_cured... https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/26jaax/3_years_ago_i_blew_out_my_knee_in_a_marathon/ https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/26jaax/3_years_ago... https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/1gdw5l/can_i_fix_my_runners_knee/ https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/1gdw5l/can_i_fix_m... And a number of people, when discussing the problem, reference bad technique as a causative factor. However, you're absolutely right that it seems there's little evidence for permanent damage. I found this thread particularly interesting: https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/1fehx2/wife_trying_to_convince_me_running_will_ruin_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/1fehx2/wife_trying...

abandonliberty 11y ago

Perhaps this is more about surrendering responsibility/ownership to others. I have seen many people give that up upon getting a trainer. Suddenly they only exercise at trainer appointments.