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In related news, I heard on NPR today people are complaining that the TSA no-fly list didn't catch a man who was a wanted shooting suspect. The insinuation is

by rubyfan 11y ago

In related news, I heard on NPR today people are complaining that the TSA no-fly list didn't catch a man who was a wanted shooting suspect. The insinuation is the no-fly list should be expanded to catch domestic criminals. You know, the no-fly list that you can't be removed from and don't have to have committed a crime to get yourself listed on. The no-fly list that is unconstitutional, yeah that one. http://abcnews.go.com/US/idaho-shooting-suspect-kyle-odom-fly-dc/story?id=37533421 http://abcnews.go.com/US/idaho-shooting-suspect-kyle-odom-fl...

kough 11y ago
That response is deeply fucked. It also gives further evidence to the fact that most people simply want to live a good life, and are happy to give power to any authority that can promise them that. The thinking here is: the government created the no fly list to catch bad guys, these are bad guys, why aren't they on the list?
- rubyfan 11y ago
  My fear with all this is that we all think Snowden was great because it put a spotlight on this stuff. But the reality is Joe Average is perfectly ambivalent and powers in the government can use that to push this far beyond secret programs ostensibly created to protect us from terrorists.
  - s_q_b 11y ago
    I tell people I work for Booz | Allen | Hamilton, and the vast vast majority outside the beltway don't recognize the name at all.
- Umn44 11y ago
  "It also gives further evidence to the fact that most people simply want to live a good life" The nature of capitalist society produces shitty people, you can't have a culture with a common good if the culture is shit. You need to give people time off enough to be citizens but the nature of the american empire and the culture that runs it is hostile to the people. So you get a fucked up culture of fuck you I got mine. First, our brains are much worse at reality and thinking than thought. AKA we can be manipulated to believe things against our interest. Science on reasoning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ "Intended as an internal document. Good reading to understand the nature of rich democracies and the fact that the common people are not allowed to play a role." Crisis of democracy http://trilateral.org/download/doc/crisis_of_democracy.pdf http://trilateral.org/download/doc/crisis_of_democracy.pdf
techdragon 11y ago
Using the no fly list for this is moronic... However connecting a civilian police wanted fugitives registry / arrest warrant list to the airline booking system actually sounds like a good idea... The kind of good idea that's so obvious I thought it was already done decades ago.

by rubyfan 11y ago

kough 11y ago

That response is deeply fucked. It also gives further evidence to the fact that most people simply want to live a good life, and are happy to give power to any authority that can promise them that. The thinking here is: the government created the no fly list to catch bad guys, these are bad guys, why aren't they on the list?

rubyfan 11y ago
My fear with all this is that we all think Snowden was great because it put a spotlight on this stuff. But the reality is Joe Average is perfectly ambivalent and powers in the government can use that to push this far beyond secret programs ostensibly created to protect us from terrorists.
- s_q_b 11y ago
  I tell people I work for Booz | Allen | Hamilton, and the vast vast majority outside the beltway don't recognize the name at all.
Umn44 11y ago
"It also gives further evidence to the fact that most people simply want to live a good life" The nature of capitalist society produces shitty people, you can't have a culture with a common good if the culture is shit. You need to give people time off enough to be citizens but the nature of the american empire and the culture that runs it is hostile to the people. So you get a fucked up culture of fuck you I got mine. First, our brains are much worse at reality and thinking than thought. AKA we can be manipulated to believe things against our interest. Science on reasoning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ "Intended as an internal document. Good reading to understand the nature of rich democracies and the fact that the common people are not allowed to play a role." Crisis of democracy http://trilateral.org/download/doc/crisis_of_democracy.pdf http://trilateral.org/download/doc/crisis_of_democracy.pdf

techdragon 11y ago

Using the no fly list for this is moronic... However connecting a civilian police wanted fugitives registry / arrest warrant list to the airline booking system actually sounds like a good idea... The kind of good idea that's so obvious I thought it was already done decades ago.