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I think many of us have no intention of installing Windows 10 ever. I certainly wouldn't do it even if the price for the upgrade were negative.

by x1798DE 11y ago

KirinDave 11y ago
Which is your problem, because your OS is already receiving less and less support. While there are some issues with Win10 and I think it's been prudent to wait, that window of prudence is closing. Microsoft is not suddenly going to recant on the direction of unified UI that it's taken. They've doubled down on it to the point where we're at 128x now. They have introduced substantial technical improvements with the Win10 releases, most of which are ironed out. As a surface book owner who took a lot of the early adoption pain on the chin, I'd still rather be using Win10 than my time in Win7. If only because the interaction model is a lot nicer and the default powershell is more up-to-date.
- redtuesday 11y ago
  > Microsoft is not suddenly going to recant on the direction of unified UI that it's taken. I might be wrong, but I don't think the users that haven't switched to Windows 10 yet have not done so because of Windows 10's UI.
  - cm2187 11y ago
    ...and the lack of appetite for playing whack-a-mole with the privacy settings.
- x1798DE 11y ago
  Yeah I just installed Ubuntu anyway because I like the unix utilities. I agree that eventually it will be too dangerous or difficult to use Windows 7, though for now it's probably serviceable. I personally find the Windows 8+ UI execrable, but mostly my strong distaste for Windows 10 is driven by the cloud driven nature.
  - yuhong 11y ago
    Do you mean Windows as a Service or something else?
    - ploxiln 11y ago
      He might mean "uncontrollable feature-change updates indefinitely". That includes nagging for reboots, and if you're not present at the computer I hope you didn't have any long-running jobs in progress. Windows 10 is almost a webapp, in that you're always on the current version, whatever that is, hope you like it. That's my reason anyway. The fact that I have to manually uninstall and hide some individual cryptically-number-coded windows updates on windows 7 in order to get rid of nagging to install windows 10 in the taskbar and in the windows update control-panel makes me frankly scared to give any more update control to Microsoft. Since Windows 7 still gets security updates and I only use it for games, I have a few years before I need to figure out the next step.
      - KirinDave 11y ago
        And Ubuntu doesn't have requirements for reboot and upgrade cycles in perpetuity? I mean... it does. Oh, and the kernel installer script still doesn't purge old builds so periodically your updates will still stop working on LTS. It's silly.
        yuhong 11y ago
        Of course, but OP was talking about Win10-style forced updates that is part of the "Windows as a Service" that I mentioned.
        ploxiln 11y ago
        You can control when updates are installed and when you reboot. I may wait a day or two depending on what I'm in the middle of. Or you could wait a week. Or install the next stable (but not LTS) release in 6 months. Or wait for the next LTS release in 2 years. Or wait up to 5 years! Windows 10 is the last version of windows, there will not be an option to install Windows 11 at your leisure, you'll just have it when you wake up your computer the next day (though it'll be called windows 10). Also, with ubuntu and most linux distros you can pin certain core packages at certain versions if you need. Also, if you mean the desktop-notifications for updates and upgrades and such, you can uninstall all that and just use apt-get manually.
- plaguuuuuu 11y ago
  I would love to use W10. I just don't support MSFT's new business model. I want the OS to be the product, not me.
  - KirinDave 11y ago
    This is such a ridiculous meme. I assure you, MS's business model is not you. Their business model is selling enterprise support and making Windows directly competitive. They're doing this because Apple and Google. Apple's made massive enterprise inroads. And Google has made massive education inroads. Windows has been relegated to gaming and "that OS no one wants to use at work." And that's a tenuous and dangerous position. It's also to try and compete on cross-platform mobile tools which get them big enterprise contracts. These have always been MS's bread and butter and will continue to do so. Windows 10 as a service is just MS recognizing the reality of OSs in a modern world. It is a change Google has already adopted with Chrome (and its evergreen model of change updates) and Apple only discards with iOS when they want to promote sales of the next major handset. They've also made major strides towards openness and helpfulness in the open source community. Their compiler, core library, runtime, JIT, etc? It's all open source now. Under many open-source-compatible licenses. I'm not saying we should suspend all disbelief or not call them out when they have stupid bugs or make positively boneheaded moves like that fiasco of putting a Tomb Raider add on the default lock screen. We should. But we should also be willing to say, "Perhaps this company is capable of change and there are some genuinely interesting and laudable signals of that."
    - cm2187 11y ago
      My understanding of their new strategy is to focus on search and the cloud. They are investing into linux for the latter, and are instrumenting their desktop OS for the former. It might make sense but they are clearly now treating their users as a product.
      - KirinDave 11y ago
        Bing is not a part of their renewed focus. I helped build the technology that made Bing competitive. Trust me, that road has not panned out for them. You say, "They are now clearly treating their users a product." That is not at all clear to me. Please explain.
ewzimm 11y ago
The reasons why people here choose not to upgrade are going to be totally different from the average user. There are so many updates begging for attention on Windows that most people have learned to just ignore them without reading because it's too much of a hassle to keep updating software. I think it's a stretch to say the average Windows 7 user has an informed opinion on whether or not they want to upgrade.
TrevorJ 11y ago
Exactly. I won't have my productivity help hostage to an OS that acts like I should be beholden to it because it was generously forced on my for free.

I think many of us have no intention of installing Windows 10 ever. I certainly wouldn't do it even if the price for the upgrade were negative.

by x1798DE 11y ago

I think many of us have no intention of installing Windows 10 ever. I certainly wouldn't do it even if the price for the upgrade were negative.

KirinDave 11y ago

Which is your problem, because your OS is already receiving less and less support. While there are some issues with Win10 and I think it's been prudent to wait, that window of prudence is closing. Microsoft is not suddenly going to recant on the direction of unified UI that it's taken. They've doubled down on it to the point where we're at 128x now. They have introduced substantial technical improvements with the Win10 releases, most of which are ironed out. As a surface book owner who took a lot of the early adoption pain on the chin, I'd still rather be using Win10 than my time in Win7. If only because the interaction model is a lot nicer and the default powershell is more up-to-date.

redtuesday 11y ago
> Microsoft is not suddenly going to recant on the direction of unified UI that it's taken. I might be wrong, but I don't think the users that haven't switched to Windows 10 yet have not done so because of Windows 10's UI.
- cm2187 11y ago
  ...and the lack of appetite for playing whack-a-mole with the privacy settings.
x1798DE 11y ago
Yeah I just installed Ubuntu anyway because I like the unix utilities. I agree that eventually it will be too dangerous or difficult to use Windows 7, though for now it's probably serviceable. I personally find the Windows 8+ UI execrable, but mostly my strong distaste for Windows 10 is driven by the cloud driven nature.
- yuhong 11y ago
  Do you mean Windows as a Service or something else?
  - ploxiln 11y ago
    He might mean "uncontrollable feature-change updates indefinitely". That includes nagging for reboots, and if you're not present at the computer I hope you didn't have any long-running jobs in progress. Windows 10 is almost a webapp, in that you're always on the current version, whatever that is, hope you like it. That's my reason anyway. The fact that I have to manually uninstall and hide some individual cryptically-number-coded windows updates on windows 7 in order to get rid of nagging to install windows 10 in the taskbar and in the windows update control-panel makes me frankly scared to give any more update control to Microsoft. Since Windows 7 still gets security updates and I only use it for games, I have a few years before I need to figure out the next step.
    - KirinDave 11y ago
      And Ubuntu doesn't have requirements for reboot and upgrade cycles in perpetuity? I mean... it does. Oh, and the kernel installer script still doesn't purge old builds so periodically your updates will still stop working on LTS. It's silly.
      - yuhong 11y ago
        Of course, but OP was talking about Win10-style forced updates that is part of the "Windows as a Service" that I mentioned.
      - ploxiln 11y ago
        You can control when updates are installed and when you reboot. I may wait a day or two depending on what I'm in the middle of. Or you could wait a week. Or install the next stable (but not LTS) release in 6 months. Or wait for the next LTS release in 2 years. Or wait up to 5 years! Windows 10 is the last version of windows, there will not be an option to install Windows 11 at your leisure, you'll just have it when you wake up your computer the next day (though it'll be called windows 10). Also, with ubuntu and most linux distros you can pin certain core packages at certain versions if you need. Also, if you mean the desktop-notifications for updates and upgrades and such, you can uninstall all that and just use apt-get manually.
plaguuuuuu 11y ago
I would love to use W10. I just don't support MSFT's new business model. I want the OS to be the product, not me.
- KirinDave 11y ago
  This is such a ridiculous meme. I assure you, MS's business model is not you. Their business model is selling enterprise support and making Windows directly competitive. They're doing this because Apple and Google. Apple's made massive enterprise inroads. And Google has made massive education inroads. Windows has been relegated to gaming and "that OS no one wants to use at work." And that's a tenuous and dangerous position. It's also to try and compete on cross-platform mobile tools which get them big enterprise contracts. These have always been MS's bread and butter and will continue to do so. Windows 10 as a service is just MS recognizing the reality of OSs in a modern world. It is a change Google has already adopted with Chrome (and its evergreen model of change updates) and Apple only discards with iOS when they want to promote sales of the next major handset. They've also made major strides towards openness and helpfulness in the open source community. Their compiler, core library, runtime, JIT, etc? It's all open source now. Under many open-source-compatible licenses. I'm not saying we should suspend all disbelief or not call them out when they have stupid bugs or make positively boneheaded moves like that fiasco of putting a Tomb Raider add on the default lock screen. We should. But we should also be willing to say, "Perhaps this company is capable of change and there are some genuinely interesting and laudable signals of that."
  - cm2187 11y ago
    My understanding of their new strategy is to focus on search and the cloud. They are investing into linux for the latter, and are instrumenting their desktop OS for the former. It might make sense but they are clearly now treating their users as a product.
    - KirinDave 11y ago
      Bing is not a part of their renewed focus. I helped build the technology that made Bing competitive. Trust me, that road has not panned out for them. You say, "They are now clearly treating their users a product." That is not at all clear to me. Please explain.

ewzimm 11y ago

The reasons why people here choose not to upgrade are going to be totally different from the average user. There are so many updates begging for attention on Windows that most people have learned to just ignore them without reading because it's too much of a hassle to keep updating software. I think it's a stretch to say the average Windows 7 user has an informed opinion on whether or not they want to upgrade.

TrevorJ 11y ago

Exactly. I won't have my productivity help hostage to an OS that acts like I should be beholden to it because it was generously forced on my for free.