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I follow neither Go nor martial arts, but there seem to be some interesting parallels here with some emotional reactions to what appears to be the relative weak

by thom 11y ago

I follow neither Go nor martial arts, but there seem to be some interesting parallels here with some emotional reactions to what appears to be the relative weakness of karate or kung fu versus grappling in UFC. The mystical aura of these martial arts as traditionally practised for hundreds of years suddenly falls away in the face of what often seems like brute force.

awl130 11y ago
it was high time that these ancient martial arts were shaken from their comfortable reverie. what were once based on actual fights centuries ago had devolved into pedantic adherence to ritual and form. it actually started way before the UFC: bruce lee shook the kung fu establishment with jeet kune do in the 1960s. helio and carlos gracie shook up jiujitsu by incorporating real world situations. you are actually now seeing wing chun make a comeback. look at conor mcgregor's unorthodox style and you will see phenomenal angles that come from kung fu and tae kwon do (karate), spinning leg kicks that are actually landing, switch stances, etc. i believe all these ancient arts are making a big comeback. the roots are still there, they just got concealed over the centures.
ktRolster 11y ago
In fairness, UFC fairly severely limits what can be done. To begin with, they use gloves, and things like eye gouges and finger locks are illegal. Because strategies like "ripping out someone's intestines" are illegal, boxing and wrestling have an unfair advantage because they don't have to worry about that stuff to begin with. For more realistic fighting situations, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lei_tai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lei_tai
- mrob 11y ago
  The eyes are small targets. The only time you can reliably gouge them is when you're already winning a grapple, at which point it's superfluous. Finger locks are similar, with the additional disadvantage of being less likely to end the fight even if successfully applied. Admittedly, UFC rules now also take entertainment into consideration, but early UFC rules mostly just banned things that risked permanent injury for very little tactical benefit.
- reality_hacker 11y ago
  Small correction: they didn't use gloves in early tournaments.

by thom 11y ago

awl130 11y ago

it was high time that these ancient martial arts were shaken from their comfortable reverie. what were once based on actual fights centuries ago had devolved into pedantic adherence to ritual and form. it actually started way before the UFC: bruce lee shook the kung fu establishment with jeet kune do in the 1960s. helio and carlos gracie shook up jiujitsu by incorporating real world situations. you are actually now seeing wing chun make a comeback. look at conor mcgregor's unorthodox style and you will see phenomenal angles that come from kung fu and tae kwon do (karate), spinning leg kicks that are actually landing, switch stances, etc. i believe all these ancient arts are making a big comeback. the roots are still there, they just got concealed over the centures.

ktRolster 11y ago

In fairness, UFC fairly severely limits what can be done. To begin with, they use gloves, and things like eye gouges and finger locks are illegal. Because strategies like "ripping out someone's intestines" are illegal, boxing and wrestling have an unfair advantage because they don't have to worry about that stuff to begin with. For more realistic fighting situations, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lei_tai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lei_tai

mrob 11y ago
The eyes are small targets. The only time you can reliably gouge them is when you're already winning a grapple, at which point it's superfluous. Finger locks are similar, with the additional disadvantage of being less likely to end the fight even if successfully applied. Admittedly, UFC rules now also take entertainment into consideration, but early UFC rules mostly just banned things that risked permanent injury for very little tactical benefit.
reality_hacker 11y ago
Small correction: they didn't use gloves in early tournaments.