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I might be wrong about you personally and I am speaking of the Linux Community as a whole. I still find it incredibly hypocritical of people's anti-Microsoft s

by baldfat 11y ago

I might be wrong about you personally and I am speaking of the Linux Community as a whole. I still find it incredibly hypocritical of people's anti-Microsoft stance while they walk around with their Apple products. I seriously see more Macs at every Linux event then any other kind of computer. Most Anti-Microsoft really is anti-Steve Ballmer.

chei0aiV 11y ago
Here here. Probably some of those Macs are running Linux though.
- baldfat 11y ago
  Have you tried running Linux on a Mac? No really temperature / fan control due to unreleased drivers. Also a ton of other pains.
d0lph 11y ago
I think Apple at least has not tried to strategically attack linux/OSS via rumors and lies a la halloween documents. But I certainly agree that the linux community on a whole should re-evaluate its position on MS. If you expect that to happen over night, you are a fool.
- baldfat 11y ago
  Once again that is Steve Ballmer. If this was a whole corporate belief it would have been true through the whole company and its policy and it wasn't. NOT defending the bad parts of MS but people treat MS as the evil empire when it was a divided HUGE company. Inside MS there were plenty of positive open source people and projects inside of MS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_free_and_open-source_software#Microsoft.27s_contributions_to_open_source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_free_and_open-sourc... I believe the Anti-MS is way out of proportion and distracts from worse offenders. Look at Oracle that company is the devil to Open/Free software and people will still run Oracle products all the time. (Stares at my own OpenBox for use with Vagrant on my Windows machine next to me). IBM and their incredible patent farm (IBM year in and year out the number one patent company in America). Apple is the polar opposite of the open source movement. Apple has been guilty of price fixing ebooks, patent misuse and the copyrighting of design and slide to unlock. Apple does not work with the community but behind high secret walls. You share a secret and they might send the police after you or sue you. They black list reporters that share an opinion that is negative to Apple from access to the company, events and products. So yes MS has made many bad moves but I wouldn't even say they are the worst. If you take out anything Steve Ballmer has said they are actually were better then most. Open Source Movement has won and we should celebrate the victories. SQL Server on Linux I wouldn't have thought this in a million years and C# opened. These are amazing days.
  - d0lph 11y ago
    Even given all that MSFT has been more antagonistic to Linux in the past. Ballmer was not even CEO when the halloween docs we released, I find it difficult to believe, that Ballmer is the sole cause of MSFTs anti OSS positions. TBH I agree with you on most points, but calling linux users who have mac hardware hypocrites is a stretch given MSFT's track record.
sixothree 11y ago
I am usually not surprised to find that they often use a text editor as their IDE or just run Windows in a VM.

by baldfat 11y ago

chei0aiV 11y ago

Here here. Probably some of those Macs are running Linux though.

baldfat 11y ago
Have you tried running Linux on a Mac? No really temperature / fan control due to unreleased drivers. Also a ton of other pains.

d0lph 11y ago

I think Apple at least has not tried to strategically attack linux/OSS via rumors and lies a la halloween documents. But I certainly agree that the linux community on a whole should re-evaluate its position on MS. If you expect that to happen over night, you are a fool.

baldfat 11y ago
Once again that is Steve Ballmer. If this was a whole corporate belief it would have been true through the whole company and its policy and it wasn't. NOT defending the bad parts of MS but people treat MS as the evil empire when it was a divided HUGE company. Inside MS there were plenty of positive open source people and projects inside of MS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_free_and_open-source_software#Microsoft.27s_contributions_to_open_source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_free_and_open-sourc... I believe the Anti-MS is way out of proportion and distracts from worse offenders. Look at Oracle that company is the devil to Open/Free software and people will still run Oracle products all the time. (Stares at my own OpenBox for use with Vagrant on my Windows machine next to me). IBM and their incredible patent farm (IBM year in and year out the number one patent company in America). Apple is the polar opposite of the open source movement. Apple has been guilty of price fixing ebooks, patent misuse and the copyrighting of design and slide to unlock. Apple does not work with the community but behind high secret walls. You share a secret and they might send the police after you or sue you. They black list reporters that share an opinion that is negative to Apple from access to the company, events and products. So yes MS has made many bad moves but I wouldn't even say they are the worst. If you take out anything Steve Ballmer has said they are actually were better then most. Open Source Movement has won and we should celebrate the victories. SQL Server on Linux I wouldn't have thought this in a million years and C# opened. These are amazing days.
- d0lph 11y ago
  Even given all that MSFT has been more antagonistic to Linux in the past. Ballmer was not even CEO when the halloween docs we released, I find it difficult to believe, that Ballmer is the sole cause of MSFTs anti OSS positions. TBH I agree with you on most points, but calling linux users who have mac hardware hypocrites is a stretch given MSFT's track record.

sixothree 11y ago

I am usually not surprised to find that they often use a text editor as their IDE or just run Windows in a VM.