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Is there a complete recording of the commentary? They had one for game 1. The current live stream only goes back two hours and doesn't include the beginning of

Is there a complete recording of the commentary? They had one for game 1. The current live stream only goes back two hours and doesn't include the beginning of the game. I'm looking at the DeepMind channel on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP7jMXSY2xbc3KCAE0MHQ-A https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP7jMXSY2xbc3KCAE0MHQ-A

forgotpwtomain 11y ago
I tried to watch commentary on the DeepMind channel for game #1 and found it to be very un-informative: I recommend the AGA channel (although it's been linked a few times): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZugVil2v4w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZugVil2v4w, still waiting on the game 2 static video.
- sago 11y ago
  Yes, the AGA version was better. Unfortunately they aren't broadcasting for the next game on Friday. At least that's what they said.
  - kqr 11y ago
    There's a good reason for that: there is no game on Friday. Next game is Saturday, and they may or may not broadcast that. Andrew is ready, but he needs a pro or otherwise really skilled player to provide high-level commentary. Hyungwan who did it the last two games will not be available.
    - sago 11y ago
      Friday US time, yes. ;)
- igravious 11y ago
  I disagree. Last night I found that on the DeepMind channel they were explaining the game a lot for beginners. This was a bit tedious for me but then this is a historic event so there'll be noobs tuning in so I can understand that, and I appreciate that the TV people are thinking of them. Also, the AGA channel you just seem to have a split screen showing two people with headphones on talking over Skype? (Granted, one of them is Myungwan Kim, 9p, a super likeable guy - but Michael Redmond, 9p, is also super likeable.) The DeepMind channel switches between the game board and the large commentary board, with occasional shots of Lee Sedol and occasional shots of the DeepMind terminal. Michael Redmond was reading out lots of variations and repeatedly trying to count the board and evaluate the position. I think he was trying to be as informative as he could. Occasionally he would get lost in thought as he calculated owing to the complexity. You could call it many things but uninformative is not one of them. edit: added pro commentators names...
  - forgotpwtomain 11y ago
    > Last night I found that on the DeepMind channel they were explaining the game a lot for beginners. Yeah, I think I caught some 15 minutes of this and stopped watching, maybe it got better later? I would have expected them to the introduction for beginners before the start of the real game, and they ended up skipping commentary on what seemed like pretty key choice in the early game to do so. > Also, the AGA channel you just seem to have a split screen showing two people with headphones on talking over Skype? (Granted, one of them is Myungwan Kim, 9p, a super likeable guy - but Michael Redmond, 9p, is also super likeable.) There were even some technical difficulties with the skype feed on a few occasions and I wouldn't call it great quality, but on the other hand I rather prefer the KGS virtual board - on which it's quicker to show the possible alternatives and easier to point out the key stones.
    - igravious 11y ago
      On this I do agree with you :) I found it annoying that there was not more analysis happening in the fuseki. I was like, "is it not important to be evaluating these moves?" I guess because the DeepMind crew didn't it meant that beyond pointing out that Lee Sedol tried to break out of opening patterns quickly and that the order of moves in the top-right joseki were considered sub-optimal for AlphaGo there was not much that urgently needed commenting on. I switched to KGS at intervals to see what people were saying on the mirrored board kibitz. And the DeepMind commentary did begin to irritate at times but I feel they had to cater for noobs. Once the middle game got going it was fine though. Agreed on the KGS virtual board.
  - nathan_f77 11y ago
    I was wondering why they didn't keep a running total of the score after each move, and show it somewhere on the screen. Isn't that pretty easy to automate?
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sago 11y ago
They put a version of the broadcast up after it is finished, if last time is anything to go by. Took a little while because the stream is still going, with the press conference.
- i_don_t_know 11y ago
  Thank you. The full six hour version is available now.

forgotpwtomain 11y ago

I tried to watch commentary on the DeepMind channel for game #1 and found it to be very un-informative: I recommend the AGA channel (although it's been linked a few times): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZugVil2v4w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZugVil2v4w, still waiting on the game 2 static video.

sago 11y ago
Yes, the AGA version was better. Unfortunately they aren't broadcasting for the next game on Friday. At least that's what they said.
- kqr 11y ago
  There's a good reason for that: there is no game on Friday. Next game is Saturday, and they may or may not broadcast that. Andrew is ready, but he needs a pro or otherwise really skilled player to provide high-level commentary. Hyungwan who did it the last two games will not be available.
  - sago 11y ago
    Friday US time, yes. ;)
igravious 11y ago
I disagree. Last night I found that on the DeepMind channel they were explaining the game a lot for beginners. This was a bit tedious for me but then this is a historic event so there'll be noobs tuning in so I can understand that, and I appreciate that the TV people are thinking of them. Also, the AGA channel you just seem to have a split screen showing two people with headphones on talking over Skype? (Granted, one of them is Myungwan Kim, 9p, a super likeable guy - but Michael Redmond, 9p, is also super likeable.) The DeepMind channel switches between the game board and the large commentary board, with occasional shots of Lee Sedol and occasional shots of the DeepMind terminal. Michael Redmond was reading out lots of variations and repeatedly trying to count the board and evaluate the position. I think he was trying to be as informative as he could. Occasionally he would get lost in thought as he calculated owing to the complexity. You could call it many things but uninformative is not one of them. edit: added pro commentators names...
- forgotpwtomain 11y ago
  > Last night I found that on the DeepMind channel they were explaining the game a lot for beginners. Yeah, I think I caught some 15 minutes of this and stopped watching, maybe it got better later? I would have expected them to the introduction for beginners before the start of the real game, and they ended up skipping commentary on what seemed like pretty key choice in the early game to do so. > Also, the AGA channel you just seem to have a split screen showing two people with headphones on talking over Skype? (Granted, one of them is Myungwan Kim, 9p, a super likeable guy - but Michael Redmond, 9p, is also super likeable.) There were even some technical difficulties with the skype feed on a few occasions and I wouldn't call it great quality, but on the other hand I rather prefer the KGS virtual board - on which it's quicker to show the possible alternatives and easier to point out the key stones.
  - igravious 11y ago
    On this I do agree with you :) I found it annoying that there was not more analysis happening in the fuseki. I was like, "is it not important to be evaluating these moves?" I guess because the DeepMind crew didn't it meant that beyond pointing out that Lee Sedol tried to break out of opening patterns quickly and that the order of moves in the top-right joseki were considered sub-optimal for AlphaGo there was not much that urgently needed commenting on. I switched to KGS at intervals to see what people were saying on the mirrored board kibitz. And the DeepMind commentary did begin to irritate at times but I feel they had to cater for noobs. Once the middle game got going it was fine though. Agreed on the KGS virtual board.
- nathan_f77 11y ago
  I was wondering why they didn't keep a running total of the score after each move, and show it somewhere on the screen. Isn't that pretty easy to automate?
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  - forgotpwtomain 11y ago

sago 11y ago

They put a version of the broadcast up after it is finished, if last time is anything to go by. Took a little while because the stream is still going, with the press conference.

i_don_t_know 11y ago
Thank you. The full six hour version is available now.