> Most of that "loss" is in buying new You know, people say that, but I found it really hard in practice to buy a nearly-new car. When they are available, the

> Most of that "loss" is in buying new You know, people say that, but I found it really hard in practice to buy a nearly-new car. When they are available, the discount from new isn't that much. Note that I'm speaking only about Toyota and Honda minivans, because that is what I was buying, but I was surprised just how little "driven off the lot" discount I could find. We ended up buying new instead.