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$100 a day to view basic service manuals? I will Never buy a Tesla; even if one day I can afford one. I can't believe you wealthy boys are putting up with thi

$100 a day to view basic service manuals? I will Never buy a Tesla; even if one day I can afford one. I can't believe you wealthy boys are putting up with this. Do you guys really want to be sitting on the side of a road clueless over your toy? I don't expect you boys to pull out the DVOM, and Snap-on tools, but a little knowledge of why it broke down? Isn't it kinda the American way to at least know what the underlying problem is? Or, have we been conditioned into being good obedient victims? Personally, I feel emasculated if I need to ring a ding ding AAA? Especially, if the problem is minor. Will never know if we aren't able to read up on the toy?

ocdtrekkie 11y ago
If you can afford a Tesla, you can probably buy a new one before the warranty wears out. And you probably/definitely have roadside service.
- Vraxx 11y ago
  Not a very good argument considering they're coming out with cheaper models. Not to mention, just because someone bought something doesn't mean they can afford it by a wide margin, it's sad but true. I think the poster you respond to has some points on why it isn't optimal for the end user, but they certainly could have phrased it a bit better.
  - ocdtrekkie 11y ago
    I'm not saying I endorse this position. (I'm amazed I got downvoted as if I did.) I'm just saying this is why people have put up with it: Almost nobody realizes it, because people who buy Teslas generally aren't servicing their own cars, and most of them are still under warranty and they'll probably upgrade before that date arrives.
- seanp2k2 11y ago
  Same thing with Apple devices; locked down, no user-serviceable parts, replacement parts not sold to consumers...worked out pretty well for them. Most people just don't care and want the New Shiny more, and that's enough to persuade them.
  - ytpete 11y ago
    It's much more feasible to replace a phone every 2 years, as soon as it starts to show significant wear, than it is to do that with a car. We know Tesla plans to sell to the full mass market (Toyota price point) eventually, so they're going to need to allow for long term maintenance and independent repair shops at some point.
    - greglindahl 11y ago
      Note that Tesla's already supporting body shops.
neurotech1 11y ago
The "cost" of service information is hardly unique to Tesla Audi: https://erwin.audiusa.com/erwin/showOrderFlatrate.do https://erwin.audiusa.com/erwin/showOrderFlatrate.do ($250/m) Tesla: https://service.teslamotors.com/ https://service.teslamotors.com/ ($350/m) BMW: https://www.bmwtechinfo.com/ https://www.bmwtechinfo.com/ ($250/m)
- maratd 11y ago
  This is true. It's also true that I can access service manuals for BMW and Audi. However, I cannot access the service manuals for Tesla. Because I don't live in Massachusetts. Does that seem right to you? They even make sure to verify your address by mail to make sure you really do live in Massachusetts before they grant access.
killface 11y ago
> I will Never buy a Tesla; even if one day I can afford one. Oh well. Good for you? > Do you guys really want to be sitting on the side of a road clueless over your toy? And how many of us grew up with pops and us working on our high-performance electric cars in the garage while growing up? Anyone? Anyone? Let's face it. You could have all the service manuals you want, you're probably not going to be able to fix the car. > Isn't it kinda the American way to at least know what the underlying problem is? Have you driven a modern car? There's literally no indication of most issues. You could maybe get your own OBDII reader and try to interpret the codes, but that won't get you too much. I mean, if the OBD code tells you there's a drop in voltage at the ABS sensor, do you even know what that means? Do you know what kind of repair that would require? Do you know if that means it's still safe to drive, or requires emergency towing? You seem like you're blowing this completely out of proportion, with a healthy dose of penis size issues to boot.
- dang 11y ago
  This comment breaks the HN guidelines by crossing into incivility. Please don't do that.
dang 11y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11255679 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11255679 and marked it off-topic.

ocdtrekkie 11y ago

If you can afford a Tesla, you can probably buy a new one before the warranty wears out. And you probably/definitely have roadside service.

Vraxx 11y ago
Not a very good argument considering they're coming out with cheaper models. Not to mention, just because someone bought something doesn't mean they can afford it by a wide margin, it's sad but true. I think the poster you respond to has some points on why it isn't optimal for the end user, but they certainly could have phrased it a bit better.
- ocdtrekkie 11y ago
  I'm not saying I endorse this position. (I'm amazed I got downvoted as if I did.) I'm just saying this is why people have put up with it: Almost nobody realizes it, because people who buy Teslas generally aren't servicing their own cars, and most of them are still under warranty and they'll probably upgrade before that date arrives.
seanp2k2 11y ago
Same thing with Apple devices; locked down, no user-serviceable parts, replacement parts not sold to consumers...worked out pretty well for them. Most people just don't care and want the New Shiny more, and that's enough to persuade them.
- ytpete 11y ago
  It's much more feasible to replace a phone every 2 years, as soon as it starts to show significant wear, than it is to do that with a car. We know Tesla plans to sell to the full mass market (Toyota price point) eventually, so they're going to need to allow for long term maintenance and independent repair shops at some point.
  - greglindahl 11y ago
    Note that Tesla's already supporting body shops.

neurotech1 11y ago

The "cost" of service information is hardly unique to Tesla Audi: https://erwin.audiusa.com/erwin/showOrderFlatrate.do https://erwin.audiusa.com/erwin/showOrderFlatrate.do ($250/m) Tesla: https://service.teslamotors.com/ https://service.teslamotors.com/ ($350/m) BMW: https://www.bmwtechinfo.com/ https://www.bmwtechinfo.com/ ($250/m)

maratd 11y ago
This is true. It's also true that I can access service manuals for BMW and Audi. However, I cannot access the service manuals for Tesla. Because I don't live in Massachusetts. Does that seem right to you? They even make sure to verify your address by mail to make sure you really do live in Massachusetts before they grant access.

killface 11y ago

> I will Never buy a Tesla; even if one day I can afford one. Oh well. Good for you? > Do you guys really want to be sitting on the side of a road clueless over your toy? And how many of us grew up with pops and us working on our high-performance electric cars in the garage while growing up? Anyone? Anyone? Let's face it. You could have all the service manuals you want, you're probably not going to be able to fix the car. > Isn't it kinda the American way to at least know what the underlying problem is? Have you driven a modern car? There's literally no indication of most issues. You could maybe get your own OBDII reader and try to interpret the codes, but that won't get you too much. I mean, if the OBD code tells you there's a drop in voltage at the ABS sensor, do you even know what that means? Do you know what kind of repair that would require? Do you know if that means it's still safe to drive, or requires emergency towing? You seem like you're blowing this completely out of proportion, with a healthy dose of penis size issues to boot.

dang 11y ago
This comment breaks the HN guidelines by crossing into incivility. Please don't do that.

dang 11y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11255679 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11255679 and marked it off-topic.