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After Go, the next AI challenge they're looking at is Starcraft: https://twitter.com/deeplearning4j/status/706541229543071745 https://twitter.com/deeplearning4j

by cm2012 11y ago

After Go, the next AI challenge they're looking at is Starcraft: https://twitter.com/deeplearning4j/status/706541229543071745 https://twitter.com/deeplearning4j/status/706541229543071745

zouhair 11y ago
Good luck with that.
- LockeWatts 11y ago
  Starcraft in many ways is a much easier game for an AI to beat top pros at than Go.
  - cm2012 11y ago
    They say Starcraft is still 5-10 years out for AI to beat pros: http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/deepmind-artificial-intelligence-video-games http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/deepmind-artificial-i... (ctrl+f for Starcraft at the bottom of this article)
    - LockeWatts 11y ago
      That's great and all, but it's already been done by much more simplistic algorithms by abusing the mechanical nature of the game. Some units are balanced by the fact that no human can manipulate them to their full potential. Once you remove that restriction, the AI can abuse the speed of execution, acting as a force multiplier that will cover any strategic lackings. If they want DeepMind to really "play" Starcraft in the traditional sense, i.e. make it win based on decision making and reasoning about the game, then they'll need to artificially rate limit its APM.
Cookingboy 11y ago
If that's true...they really just hate the Koreans LOL
sago 11y ago
The obvious problem is that speed of tactical execution can make up for a lot of strategic thought. The famous example: you can rush a line of siege tanks with zerglings if you can micro them fast enough[0]. [0]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKVFZ28ybQs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKVFZ28ybQs
- LockeWatts 11y ago
  I hope that in the interest of fair play they'll limit their AI to 300 APM or so. Make it win not on mechanical execution, but on decision making.
  - cm2012 11y ago
    Even with that though, They say Starcraft is still 5-10 years out for AI to beat pros: http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/deepmind-artificial-intelligence-video-games http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/deepmind-artificial-i... (ctrl+f for Starcraft at the bottom of this article) -----

by cm2012 11y ago

After Go, the next AI challenge they're looking at is Starcraft: https://twitter.com/deeplearning4j/status/706541229543071745 https://twitter.com/deeplearning4j/status/706541229543071745

zouhair 11y ago

Good luck with that.

LockeWatts 11y ago
Starcraft in many ways is a much easier game for an AI to beat top pros at than Go.
- cm2012 11y ago
  They say Starcraft is still 5-10 years out for AI to beat pros: http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/deepmind-artificial-intelligence-video-games http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/deepmind-artificial-i... (ctrl+f for Starcraft at the bottom of this article)
  - LockeWatts 11y ago
    That's great and all, but it's already been done by much more simplistic algorithms by abusing the mechanical nature of the game. Some units are balanced by the fact that no human can manipulate them to their full potential. Once you remove that restriction, the AI can abuse the speed of execution, acting as a force multiplier that will cover any strategic lackings. If they want DeepMind to really "play" Starcraft in the traditional sense, i.e. make it win based on decision making and reasoning about the game, then they'll need to artificially rate limit its APM.

Cookingboy 11y ago

If that's true...they really just hate the Koreans LOL

sago 11y ago

The obvious problem is that speed of tactical execution can make up for a lot of strategic thought. The famous example: you can rush a line of siege tanks with zerglings if you can micro them fast enough[0]. [0]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKVFZ28ybQs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKVFZ28ybQs

LockeWatts 11y ago
I hope that in the interest of fair play they'll limit their AI to 300 APM or so. Make it win not on mechanical execution, but on decision making.
- cm2012 11y ago
  Even with that though, They say Starcraft is still 5-10 years out for AI to beat pros: http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/deepmind-artificial-intelligence-video-games http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/deepmind-artificial-i... (ctrl+f for Starcraft at the bottom of this article) -----