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Worth noting is that "Researchgruppen" or "The research group" is an extremist left-wing group that exposes normal folks and have ties to people that threaten a

Worth noting is that "Researchgruppen" or "The research group" is an extremist left-wing group that exposes normal folks and have ties to people that threaten and use violence against people with different opinion than theirs. Also worth noting is that the Sweden Democrats is not at all far-right, it is more like a conservative social party. More left than right for example. It is also today one of the biggest parties in Sweden and will most likely grow to be the biggest soon. Researchgruppen are part of the politically correct elite in Sweden, supported by basically mainstream media which is most likely the worst in the world when it comes to being objective which this articles just proves. For people interested, the major news paper bought this information from "Researchgruppen" in order to seek, follow and harass everyday citizens and put their faces on the front pages telling the country they are racists. Sure maybe some were technically writing racists comments online, but the gestapo-moves from the news organizations in Sweden is just one of the many harassments you'll recieve if you have any critique what so ever against the large immigration numbers. They have used several illegal actions (credit checks for example) in order to find information on the people they were harassing. The people who got their faces put at the front pages did not get any chance to defend themselves or even tell their story. This is also old news in Sweden.

geon 11y ago
The Sweden Democrats have an openly fascist agenda. Several high officials have stated that they want to abolish freedom-of-press. Hardly "conservative social".
samuellb 11y ago
Now that you're editing your comment while I'm writing this, it's a bit hard to comment. I agree with you to 100% that we should have anonymity online, and that the media supporting data breaches of personal data is a bad thing. BUT I think what you write/wrote about "pk media", "mainstream media" and "immigration" is totally irrelevant to this post and HN in general. I have to say, for the non-Swedes here, that your view are _definitely not_ the common view that Swedes have. While the media is biased sometimes I would actually say that it's the people who are against immigration and have ran out of arguments to justify their case, who use this "argument" to deny facts. Sorry to be harsh but please find some real arguments why the media is not objective.
- staticelf 11y ago
  Sorry, I was adding more information since I thought it was interested for outsiders to objectively learn about what is happening in Sweden. I haven't said anything about immigration, but that we have a mainstream media that have specific political bias is proven [1] and that people don't trust media is also well known [2]. It IS the common view Swedes have, or at least one of the more common. The reason why media is not objective is simple: there is no one there with different opinions that get air to vent the counter arguments. That is why there is such a huge traffic going to "alternative media" which is almost as popular as the state sponsored SVT. [3] [1] http://www.journalisten.se/nyheter/svenska-journalister-foredrar-miljopartiet http://www.journalisten.se/nyheter/svenska-journalister-fore... [2] http://www.allehanda.se/allmant/angermanland/varannan-litar-inte-pa-journalister http://www.allehanda.se/allmant/angermanland/varannan-litar-... [3] https://medium.com/@martinborgs/alternativa-medier-public-service-ea3110e384ec#.p9jnvs69c https://medium.com/@martinborgs/alternativa-medier-public-se...
  - nickez 11y ago
    For everyone who doesn't speak swedish, in the third citation you can also read that the "alternative media" is far from the popularity of the most popular media outlets. > Fria Tiders total under veckan var 91936 reaktioner på 55 artiklar. Aftonbladets motsvarande siffra var 936570 på 1316 artiklar. Fria Tiders total was 100k "shares" on social media whereas the biggest news outlet Aftonbladet has 1M "shares". And there is another one called Expressen which has another 1M shares.
Numberwang 11y ago
Alternative facts: The Sweden Democrats are in decline as of lately. They are an extremist right-wing party with nazi ties on all levels.
tiedmann 11y ago
As a fellow swede I just don't agree with anything you have to say. Outing politicians who are ranting online is fair game as far as I'm concerned. The Sweden Democrats attract racists and their roots are racist, there's just no way to deny that - they mostly follow the same neo-fascist agenda of similar parties throughout Europe.
- thecopy 11y ago
  >Outing politicians who are ranting online is fair game as far as I'm concerned. I don't see how that has anything to do with that Expressen did to ordinary non-political citizens. >Expressen har kartlagt chefer, företagare och en docent som hatar anonymt på Avpixlat. > - Det som ni håller på med är helt avskyvärt. Ni försöker bara hindra folk från att rösta på Sverigedemokraterna, säger Jim Olsson, 67, docent i fysikalisk kemi. Translation: >Expressen has researched and tracked managers, entrepreneurs and a docent who hates online at Avpixlat [immigrant focused news site, according to big media a hate-site, my annotation] >- What you are doing is despicable. You are trying to stop people from voting on the Sweden Democrats, says Jim Olsson, 67, docent in physical chemistry. Disclaimer: I dont vote nor sympathize with the Sweden Democrats, i just find this gestapo/social-shaming behavior despicable by one of Swedens largest news-papers.
- staticelf 11y ago
  So you believe that people should be allowed to express their opinions being anonymous? If yes, why should that not be the case for politicians?
  - thecopy 11y ago
    There is a public interest issue when politicians says one thing to the voters and another behind closed doors.
    - staticelf 11y ago
      But that is the exact same thing as saying people should not be allowed to speak up anonymously. Either you are anonymous or you are not.
beerbajay 11y ago
> "The research group" is an extremist left-wing group > Sweden Democrats is not at all far-right, it is more like a conservative social party Hmm, where's the bias here, I wonder... The Swedish Democrats are basically a cleaned-up racist-nationalist party. They had to explicitly ban members from wearing nazi uniforms. Did a green party ever have that problem? Everyone else knows that they're just playing at dog-whistle politics. "concerned about immigration" obviously means "keep out brown people, get rid of as many as possible who are already here". > mainstream media which is most likely the worst in the world when it comes to being objective This is just hilarious. You've clearly never read the washington post or watched just about any american news tv. > Sure maybe some were technically writing racists comments online, While being sitting politicans... > This is also old news in Sweden. This is as least true. It's from 2013
- staticelf 11y ago
  > Hmm, where's the bias here, I wonder... Well it's true. Several in the group have connection to violent organisations. While Sweden Democrats is a democratic party. Sure they might have had some issues before, but now they are a conservative social party wether you like it or not. > This is just hilarious. You've clearly never read the washington post or watched just about any american news tv. I have but I still think Swedish news are more biased many times. Sure there are extremes in the US like Fox News, but we are pretty much competing with them. In our case I know there is studies on the subject. But of course I am biased since I get exposed more to Swedish news. > While being sitting politicans... And many were not? And why does it even matter? They should be able to post anonymous comments like anyone else.

geon 11y ago

The Sweden Democrats have an openly fascist agenda. Several high officials have stated that they want to abolish freedom-of-press. Hardly "conservative social".

samuellb 11y ago

Now that you're editing your comment while I'm writing this, it's a bit hard to comment. I agree with you to 100% that we should have anonymity online, and that the media supporting data breaches of personal data is a bad thing. BUT I think what you write/wrote about "pk media", "mainstream media" and "immigration" is totally irrelevant to this post and HN in general. I have to say, for the non-Swedes here, that your view are _definitely not_ the common view that Swedes have. While the media is biased sometimes I would actually say that it's the people who are against immigration and have ran out of arguments to justify their case, who use this "argument" to deny facts. Sorry to be harsh but please find some real arguments why the media is not objective.

staticelf 11y ago
Sorry, I was adding more information since I thought it was interested for outsiders to objectively learn about what is happening in Sweden. I haven't said anything about immigration, but that we have a mainstream media that have specific political bias is proven [1] and that people don't trust media is also well known [2]. It IS the common view Swedes have, or at least one of the more common. The reason why media is not objective is simple: there is no one there with different opinions that get air to vent the counter arguments. That is why there is such a huge traffic going to "alternative media" which is almost as popular as the state sponsored SVT. [3] [1] http://www.journalisten.se/nyheter/svenska-journalister-foredrar-miljopartiet http://www.journalisten.se/nyheter/svenska-journalister-fore... [2] http://www.allehanda.se/allmant/angermanland/varannan-litar-inte-pa-journalister http://www.allehanda.se/allmant/angermanland/varannan-litar-... [3] https://medium.com/@martinborgs/alternativa-medier-public-service-ea3110e384ec#.p9jnvs69c https://medium.com/@martinborgs/alternativa-medier-public-se...
- nickez 11y ago
  For everyone who doesn't speak swedish, in the third citation you can also read that the "alternative media" is far from the popularity of the most popular media outlets. > Fria Tiders total under veckan var 91936 reaktioner på 55 artiklar. Aftonbladets motsvarande siffra var 936570 på 1316 artiklar. Fria Tiders total was 100k "shares" on social media whereas the biggest news outlet Aftonbladet has 1M "shares". And there is another one called Expressen which has another 1M shares.

Numberwang 11y ago

Alternative facts: The Sweden Democrats are in decline as of lately. They are an extremist right-wing party with nazi ties on all levels.

tiedmann 11y ago

As a fellow swede I just don't agree with anything you have to say. Outing politicians who are ranting online is fair game as far as I'm concerned. The Sweden Democrats attract racists and their roots are racist, there's just no way to deny that - they mostly follow the same neo-fascist agenda of similar parties throughout Europe.

thecopy 11y ago
>Outing politicians who are ranting online is fair game as far as I'm concerned. I don't see how that has anything to do with that Expressen did to ordinary non-political citizens. >Expressen har kartlagt chefer, företagare och en docent som hatar anonymt på Avpixlat. > - Det som ni håller på med är helt avskyvärt. Ni försöker bara hindra folk från att rösta på Sverigedemokraterna, säger Jim Olsson, 67, docent i fysikalisk kemi. Translation: >Expressen has researched and tracked managers, entrepreneurs and a docent who hates online at Avpixlat [immigrant focused news site, according to big media a hate-site, my annotation] >- What you are doing is despicable. You are trying to stop people from voting on the Sweden Democrats, says Jim Olsson, 67, docent in physical chemistry. Disclaimer: I dont vote nor sympathize with the Sweden Democrats, i just find this gestapo/social-shaming behavior despicable by one of Swedens largest news-papers.
staticelf 11y ago
So you believe that people should be allowed to express their opinions being anonymous? If yes, why should that not be the case for politicians?
- thecopy 11y ago
  There is a public interest issue when politicians says one thing to the voters and another behind closed doors.
  - staticelf 11y ago
    But that is the exact same thing as saying people should not be allowed to speak up anonymously. Either you are anonymous or you are not.

beerbajay 11y ago

> "The research group" is an extremist left-wing group > Sweden Democrats is not at all far-right, it is more like a conservative social party Hmm, where's the bias here, I wonder... The Swedish Democrats are basically a cleaned-up racist-nationalist party. They had to explicitly ban members from wearing nazi uniforms. Did a green party ever have that problem? Everyone else knows that they're just playing at dog-whistle politics. "concerned about immigration" obviously means "keep out brown people, get rid of as many as possible who are already here". > mainstream media which is most likely the worst in the world when it comes to being objective This is just hilarious. You've clearly never read the washington post or watched just about any american news tv. > Sure maybe some were technically writing racists comments online, While being sitting politicans... > This is also old news in Sweden. This is as least true. It's from 2013

staticelf 11y ago
> Hmm, where's the bias here, I wonder... Well it's true. Several in the group have connection to violent organisations. While Sweden Democrats is a democratic party. Sure they might have had some issues before, but now they are a conservative social party wether you like it or not. > This is just hilarious. You've clearly never read the washington post or watched just about any american news tv. I have but I still think Swedish news are more biased many times. Sure there are extremes in the US like Fox News, but we are pretty much competing with them. In our case I know there is studies on the subject. But of course I am biased since I get exposed more to Swedish news. > While being sitting politicans... And many were not? And why does it even matter? They should be able to post anonymous comments like anyone else.