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The blade servers at Delimiter (https://www.delimiter.com/ https://www.delimiter.com/) are even more affordable. I pay $20 a month for a dual Xeon blade with 16

The blade servers at Delimiter (https://www.delimiter.com/ https://www.delimiter.com/) are even more affordable. I pay $20 a month for a dual Xeon blade with 16gb of ram. They did have a very long downtime this year with no service credit, but uptime has been reasonable over the past year. If you're looking for a hobby box it's a pretty good deal.

zx2c4 11y ago
I got super excited at first, but then... The servers are based on: http://ark.intel.com/products/33927/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5420-12M-Cache-2_50-GHz-1333-MHz-FSB http://ark.intel.com/products/33927/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E54... and http://ark.intel.com/products/47927/Intel-Xeon-Processor-L5630-12M-Cache-2_13-GHz-5_86-GTs-Intel-QPI http://ark.intel.com/products/47927/Intel-Xeon-Processor-L56... These are super ancient. If you're looking for affordable north american servers, OVH has the Kimsufi outlet which is cheaper and better hardware. They've got a data center in Canada and will give you American IPs from their AS in Newark, NJ: https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/ https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/ The parent company of scaleway, online.net, also has some inexpensive offerings, but the servers are in France which might be a deal breaker for you. (Delimiter seems to be in Atlanta.)
- benedikt 11y ago
  For Europe, there's the Hetzner server auction in Germany.
- LoSboccacc 11y ago
  kimsufi doesn't look bad but I don't find anywhere their cancellation policy
  - lorenzhs 11y ago
    You can choose how many months you pay for (1-12), and sometime before that runs out they email you. Either you pay for some more months or the server goes away.
  - newton10471 11y ago
    It's in the FAQ, under "When can I ask for a service to be cancelled?": https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/faq/ https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/faq/
- zschallz 11y ago
  Kimsufi is good (used to be with them), but there are a few drawbacks: 1. Only one IP allowed. No way to request more. 2. No KVM access-- Delimiter has HP iLO I have to disagree about the better hardware as well because even the slower Delimiter offering is faster than Kimsufi's fastest offering: https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5420+%40+2.50GHz&id=1233&cpuCount=2 https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5420+%40+2.... vs http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5504+%40+2.00GHz&id=1240&cpuCount=2 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5504+%40... OVH's SoYouStart is also a good choice, but it is pricy in comparison. Both Kimsufi/Delimiter/Et al should really only be used where support or downtime doesn't matter.
- Freaky 11y ago
  I'm running a pair of L5639's in my main server. Perfectly usable. Yes, the cores are relatively slow, but you get plenty of them. > OVH has the Kimsufi outlet which is cheaper and better hardware I see one dual socket Westmere Xeon that's actually slower than the two you're complaining about (1/3rd as much cache, 5-20% slower clock), and a bunch of similarly ancient consumer-level junk. I even spy an i7 920 in there. A 2008 first-gen Nehalem. That's a 130W CPU with terrible power management, how on Earth is that economical for them to deploy?!
  - mikeyur 11y ago
    > I'm running a pair of L5639's in my main server. Perfectly usable. Disclaimer: I run Delimiter That's absolutely what we're going for with our offerings. Gear that's off lease and long paid for, which allows us to slap some new drives in it and rack it at a low monthly price. But we only use proper server gear - so that means HP blade servers, ECC memory, dedicated ILO/KVM with each box, etc. To be fair though: I'm a big fan of Kimsufi stuff, along with OVH's SYS lineup. Great for backups/testing/etc. The guys at OVH are great.
- mikeyur 11y ago
  That's correct, we offer largely older gear. We had a stack of E3-1225v3's at $39 recently though. We primarily offer services in Atlanta right now, but we're expanding to Los Angeles & NYC this month. We have a few customers who purchase servers by the chassis (16 blades) to use for crawlers and other applications where they can scale horizontally. When you compare the E5420's at $20/month to even a lot of cloud hosts, you're getting quite a bit of dedicated resources vs. smaller allocations on newer shared gear. Totally depends on what you're running though.
tkinom 11y ago
How long was the "very long downtime"? Hours, days, weeks?
- zschallz 11y ago
  They were down for 4 or 5 days last month. Was due to a power issue in their DC's building. They kept everyone in the loop, and it's the only downtime I've noticed from them.
  - mikeyur 11y ago
    It's the only downtime we plan to have. I get Nam flashbacks just thinking about it.
    - zschallz 11y ago
      Baptism by fire, huh? :) I guess I was one of the unlucky ones, but it hasn't put me off. Hoping you guys expand to the UK (datacenter-wise) eventually!
      - mikeyur 11y ago
        It was my second week on the job, not a fun way to start things off... I don't know if we'll have UK dedi offerings (power + space are at a premium), but we're looking at rapidly pushing out our cloud offering.
- mikeyur 11y ago
  ~50% of customers were back online within 14 hours. 96% were online within 24-28 hours. There were a few that stretched approximately 3.5 days due to disk/psu failures, etc. It was our first (and hopefully only) large outage. We released a full RFO to our customers, but it was a really unfortunate series of events involving losing phase, burning out compressors/pumps for HVAC equipment, overnighting replacement parts from up and down the east coast and some from LA. We had to keep ~10 racks of blades (doesn't sound like much, but that's over 500 customers) offline to manage heat as we brought up the HVAC equipment and added more spot coolers.

zx2c4 11y ago

I got super excited at first, but then... The servers are based on: http://ark.intel.com/products/33927/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5420-12M-Cache-2_50-GHz-1333-MHz-FSB http://ark.intel.com/products/33927/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E54... and http://ark.intel.com/products/47927/Intel-Xeon-Processor-L5630-12M-Cache-2_13-GHz-5_86-GTs-Intel-QPI http://ark.intel.com/products/47927/Intel-Xeon-Processor-L56... These are super ancient. If you're looking for affordable north american servers, OVH has the Kimsufi outlet which is cheaper and better hardware. They've got a data center in Canada and will give you American IPs from their AS in Newark, NJ: https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/ https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/ The parent company of scaleway, online.net, also has some inexpensive offerings, but the servers are in France which might be a deal breaker for you. (Delimiter seems to be in Atlanta.)

benedikt 11y ago
For Europe, there's the Hetzner server auction in Germany.
LoSboccacc 11y ago
kimsufi doesn't look bad but I don't find anywhere their cancellation policy
- lorenzhs 11y ago
  You can choose how many months you pay for (1-12), and sometime before that runs out they email you. Either you pay for some more months or the server goes away.
- newton10471 11y ago
  It's in the FAQ, under "When can I ask for a service to be cancelled?": https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/faq/ https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/faq/
zschallz 11y ago
Kimsufi is good (used to be with them), but there are a few drawbacks: 1. Only one IP allowed. No way to request more. 2. No KVM access-- Delimiter has HP iLO I have to disagree about the better hardware as well because even the slower Delimiter offering is faster than Kimsufi's fastest offering: https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5420+%40+2.50GHz&id=1233&cpuCount=2 https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5420+%40+2.... vs http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5504+%40+2.00GHz&id=1240&cpuCount=2 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5504+%40... OVH's SoYouStart is also a good choice, but it is pricy in comparison. Both Kimsufi/Delimiter/Et al should really only be used where support or downtime doesn't matter.
Freaky 11y ago
I'm running a pair of L5639's in my main server. Perfectly usable. Yes, the cores are relatively slow, but you get plenty of them. > OVH has the Kimsufi outlet which is cheaper and better hardware I see one dual socket Westmere Xeon that's actually slower than the two you're complaining about (1/3rd as much cache, 5-20% slower clock), and a bunch of similarly ancient consumer-level junk. I even spy an i7 920 in there. A 2008 first-gen Nehalem. That's a 130W CPU with terrible power management, how on Earth is that economical for them to deploy?!
- mikeyur 11y ago
  > I'm running a pair of L5639's in my main server. Perfectly usable. Disclaimer: I run Delimiter That's absolutely what we're going for with our offerings. Gear that's off lease and long paid for, which allows us to slap some new drives in it and rack it at a low monthly price. But we only use proper server gear - so that means HP blade servers, ECC memory, dedicated ILO/KVM with each box, etc. To be fair though: I'm a big fan of Kimsufi stuff, along with OVH's SYS lineup. Great for backups/testing/etc. The guys at OVH are great.
mikeyur 11y ago
That's correct, we offer largely older gear. We had a stack of E3-1225v3's at $39 recently though. We primarily offer services in Atlanta right now, but we're expanding to Los Angeles & NYC this month. We have a few customers who purchase servers by the chassis (16 blades) to use for crawlers and other applications where they can scale horizontally. When you compare the E5420's at $20/month to even a lot of cloud hosts, you're getting quite a bit of dedicated resources vs. smaller allocations on newer shared gear. Totally depends on what you're running though.

tkinom 11y ago

How long was the "very long downtime"? Hours, days, weeks?

zschallz 11y ago
They were down for 4 or 5 days last month. Was due to a power issue in their DC's building. They kept everyone in the loop, and it's the only downtime I've noticed from them.
- mikeyur 11y ago
  It's the only downtime we plan to have. I get Nam flashbacks just thinking about it.
  - zschallz 11y ago
    Baptism by fire, huh? :) I guess I was one of the unlucky ones, but it hasn't put me off. Hoping you guys expand to the UK (datacenter-wise) eventually!
    - mikeyur 11y ago
      It was my second week on the job, not a fun way to start things off... I don't know if we'll have UK dedi offerings (power + space are at a premium), but we're looking at rapidly pushing out our cloud offering.
mikeyur 11y ago
~50% of customers were back online within 14 hours. 96% were online within 24-28 hours. There were a few that stretched approximately 3.5 days due to disk/psu failures, etc. It was our first (and hopefully only) large outage. We released a full RFO to our customers, but it was a really unfortunate series of events involving losing phase, burning out compressors/pumps for HVAC equipment, overnighting replacement parts from up and down the east coast and some from LA. We had to keep ~10 racks of blades (doesn't sound like much, but that's over 500 customers) offline to manage heat as we brought up the HVAC equipment and added more spot coolers.