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Perspectives skewed? Isn't that another way of saying expectations raised? You could just as well complain about people not being happy with a normal job becaus

Perspectives skewed? Isn't that another way of saying expectations raised? You could just as well complain about people not being happy with a normal job because their perspectives have been "skewed" by reading PG's essays. Maybe the porn just opened their eyes to what was possible. I don't know, it just seems the whole thrust of the article is "sex is bad enough, but hardcore sex is even worse, and it's all porn's fault!". And for what it's worth, myself and pretty much everyone I know have seen our share of pr0n, and I cannot imagine any of us thinking that 2girls1cup-style behaviour is desirable. I mean geeze, talk about the absolute worst example imaginable. Well, except SWAP.avi. And yeah I'm aware I'm not arguing with you except as a proxy for the site .. ;)

ErrantX 17y ago
> Maybe the porn just opened their eyes to what was possible. I think the point is less about the mechanics of sexual contact (which is what your more talking about I think) as the interaction and emotional experience. I watch a lot of pornography in my job; not in a sexual context but in a more abstract have to see the content way. It's quite an eye opener to see so much in an objective way. In most porn the woman is highly submissive and either pleading for more pleasure or eager to provide sexual favours to the men. I find it hard to disagree with people that say pornography shows people (mostly, but not exclusively, the women) as objects - I do disagree with the conclusions they ultimately draw from that; but if people are emulating what they see as pornography in real life it's not the basis for a healthy relationship.
- sailormoon 17y ago
  Well, that's a whole different rabbit-hole you're jumping down there. My comments here have been seen as anti-female in the past so I'll refrain from airing my views on the matter but suffice to say I think sexual behaviour in general and pornography in particular reflects a very long-standing social dynamic. I have never known a man who was selected against because he was dominant.
  - pyre 17y ago
    > I have never known a man who was selected against because he was dominant. Harem attendants where eunuchs for reason. :P
- derefr 17y ago
  > In most porn the woman is highly submissive and either pleading for more pleasure or eager to provide sexual favours to the men. So, where do you find this... not most porn?
  - ErrantX 17y ago
    Lesbian porn. Female Dom. female targetted porn. And all sorts of other genres. :-) There is also a small genre of pornography which shows realistic sex.
    - randallsquared 17y ago
      Are you forgetting homemade porn? That seems like a much larger segment than those others, but is realistic by definition.
      - tome 17y ago
        Should we automatically assume that when couples perform in homemade porn they're doing exactly what they would do off camera?
FooBarWidget 17y ago
> Maybe the porn just opened their eyes to what was possible. I do not agree with you, but that is a very interesting point of view. Never thought it like that. :)
- pyre 17y ago
  What is it that you don't agree with? Are you saying that everyone that watches porn immediately likes everything they see and adopts it as a defacto standard in the bedroom? If so, why are there not more people complaining about their lover/sex-buddy wanting 2girl1cup-style sex? Is it not more reasonable that people watch porn and then adopt the things that they see which appeal to them? If so, then this whole argument is about whether or not people should be allowed exposure to new ideas which they might agree with and adopt into their view of the world (and/or expectations of it).

ErrantX 17y ago

> Maybe the porn just opened their eyes to what was possible. I think the point is less about the mechanics of sexual contact (which is what your more talking about I think) as the interaction and emotional experience. I watch a lot of pornography in my job; not in a sexual context but in a more abstract have to see the content way. It's quite an eye opener to see so much in an objective way. In most porn the woman is highly submissive and either pleading for more pleasure or eager to provide sexual favours to the men. I find it hard to disagree with people that say pornography shows people (mostly, but not exclusively, the women) as objects - I do disagree with the conclusions they ultimately draw from that; but if people are emulating what they see as pornography in real life it's not the basis for a healthy relationship.

sailormoon 17y ago
Well, that's a whole different rabbit-hole you're jumping down there. My comments here have been seen as anti-female in the past so I'll refrain from airing my views on the matter but suffice to say I think sexual behaviour in general and pornography in particular reflects a very long-standing social dynamic. I have never known a man who was selected against because he was dominant.
- pyre 17y ago
  > I have never known a man who was selected against because he was dominant. Harem attendants where eunuchs for reason. :P
derefr 17y ago
> In most porn the woman is highly submissive and either pleading for more pleasure or eager to provide sexual favours to the men. So, where do you find this... not most porn?
- ErrantX 17y ago
  Lesbian porn. Female Dom. female targetted porn. And all sorts of other genres. :-) There is also a small genre of pornography which shows realistic sex.
  - randallsquared 17y ago
    Are you forgetting homemade porn? That seems like a much larger segment than those others, but is realistic by definition.
    - tome 17y ago
      Should we automatically assume that when couples perform in homemade porn they're doing exactly what they would do off camera?

FooBarWidget 17y ago

> Maybe the porn just opened their eyes to what was possible. I do not agree with you, but that is a very interesting point of view. Never thought it like that. :)

pyre 17y ago
What is it that you don't agree with? Are you saying that everyone that watches porn immediately likes everything they see and adopts it as a defacto standard in the bedroom? If so, why are there not more people complaining about their lover/sex-buddy wanting 2girl1cup-style sex? Is it not more reasonable that people watch porn and then adopt the things that they see which appeal to them? If so, then this whole argument is about whether or not people should be allowed exposure to new ideas which they might agree with and adopt into their view of the world (and/or expectations of it).